• Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee
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    21 hours ago

    I think it’s insane that proof of citizenship isn’t a requirement, and that states aren’t mandated to give IDs to their citizens

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      Verification of citizenship is already done, the burden just isn’t on the citizen. You have to provide a lot of information to register and if it doesn’t check out you won’t get registered or you’ll be arrested if you falsified something. Successfully registering when you’re not a citizen requires either big lapses on the govt side or extensive personal info from a US citizen. This is why immigrants voting, legal or illegal, is incredibly rare.

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      21 hours ago

      I think it’s insane that proof of citizenship isn’t a requirement

      If a citizen loses their passport or birth certificate, should they be disenfranchised?

      and that states aren’t mandated to give IDs to their citizens

      The extreme Christians would never go for that, because they equate it to the Mark of the Beast in the Bible. I’m not joking.

      https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/just-time-independence-day-renewed-call-national-id-card

      This isn’t a partisan issue. In 1981, at the outset of the Reagan administration, then-Attorney General William French Smith argued that a national worker ID would be necessary to stop illegal immigration. At a cabinet meeting another member jokingly suggested that it would be easier simply to tattoo an identification number on everyone. President Reagan then exclaimed, “My God! That’s the mark of the beast,” effectively ending the Reagan administration’s discussion of a national ID system.

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        18 hours ago

        Most US citizens do not have a passport and I’m sure a large number have lost their birth certificate.

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        In 1981, [ #reasons ]

        “We did it this way because that’s how the discussion happened” isn’t science, unless you’re quoting Grace Hopper or a “5 monkey” experiment.

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        If a citizen loses their passport or birth certificate, should they be disenfranchised?

        No. What a weird question. You go get another one at the DMV. It’ll take you a half-hour.

        Why the drama over a lost card?

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          Neither of those can be acquired at the DMV. It actually takes a long time to get a passport because they have to do a lot of checks. In certain cases you can pay to speed up the process but I doubt that’d be possible if people needed it to vote. Too many people in too short a window.

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          I don’t live in bumpfuck nowhere, I live just outside a major metropolitan city. My wife had to wait 3 months to get her DL renewed and she had to drive over an hour to get to the office, IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING CITY!

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          Have you ever been to the DMV? If you show up without an appointment they tell you to come back at 4am to form a line.

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          Um. My son is getting his learner’s permit, we had to make an appointment at DMV, and the waitlist was 3 weeks. So, you sure about that?

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            When I moved to a new state, I went to the DMV without an appointment. I was there for over 5 hours and then it took nearly 3 months for my new license to arrive in the mail. When it did, they got my birthday wrong.

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              My old roommate waited 3 weeks to get a drivers license, and they spelled his name wrong on it.

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        21 hours ago

        Speaking as a European here, just seems ridiculous to me, sorry for any misunderstandings, but y’all should have mandatory IDs and just use census data for voter registration

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      funny the only states that mandate excessive amounts of ID, are red states. blue states make it possible for you to vote whenever it can. they dont have the fuckery the red states have with voting. low turnout almost always help republicans when used with Voter suppression.

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        Still insane that congress hasn’t enacted mandatory ID’s for both voter registration (although you could and should go by census data) and hasn’t enacted mandatory ID’s more generally