Furious Democrats are pushing “Squad” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) to primary Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) after he agreed to vote with Republicans to avoid a government shutdown, according to reports.

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    19 days ago

    Fuck that…AOC and the rest of the progressives need to make their own party. The Ds are done.

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      19 days ago

      As long as the US uses a first-past-the-post system, third parties will not be viable. The only REAL way to go forward is to take over the Democratic party and push it left. We’ll see how it goes…

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        19 days ago

        The US has always had two parties, but it hasn’t always had the same two parties. Creating a new party that’s successful is entirely possible, if doing so completely destroys one of the existing parties in the process.

        For example, the Whig Party emerged after the Federalist Party collapsed, and the Republican Party emerged after the Whig Party collapsed.

        See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_the_United_States

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        19 days ago

        While it will be a problem I think right now it is worse to stick under the Democrat label. Right now the Democrats are a fascist-lite party which has only served to drag down real progressive candidates and stab the common man in the back in favor of status quo or for needless compromise. The Democratic Party is so deeply rotten that abandoning it is just the better option.

        Edit: The Democratic Party is held up by its progressive wing, the progressives help maintain the party’s image of being left wing/centrist. Once the progressives leave the real nature of the party will cause it to collapse under its own failures.

        This will not be the first time we have had one of the major parties fall in this nation. Like the Federalists, Democratic-Republicans and Whigs before it, it is time for a dying party to disintegrate. It is time for a new party which actually has to give a shit is formed.

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          You are high off your rocker if you legitimately think you have a better chance of winning as an independent (or whatever they want to call the new party) than a democrat right now. We are so woefully entrenched in a two party system that we need multiple elections cycles just for a third party to even get a foothold in people’s minds. I am very very in favor of additional parties and have always thought that the two party system is absolutely terrible for just about everything we wish a government to do but at this point I just don’t see it happening for quite some time, epecially with first past the polls voting.

          John Adams was painfully accurate in his warning:

          Let me now warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party… It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeebles the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption… There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.

          The whole letter is fantastic and incredibly salient today. But this sums it up decently.

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            We are so woefully entrenched in a two party system that we need multiple elections cycles just for a third party to even get a foothold in people’s minds.

            No, quite the opposite: we need a whole bunch of non-fascist Democrats to spectacularly defect all at once, such that the public perceives the new party as having captured the initiative and momentum. The loss of that public mindshare and base of support would then cause the remaining dregs of the Democratic Party to collapse.

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              19 days ago

              What we need and what is are two wildly different things. I also think asking for the collapse of one party and the creation of another is only going to lead you right to the same problem. It may take you a bit to get there but a two party system is a recipe for exactly what you are seeing.

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        18 days ago

        As a left libertarian who has actually voted libertarian before, yeah, third parties are fucking cooked in this county.

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        As long as the US uses a first-past-the-post system, third parties will not be viable.

        Democrats don’t have to field candidates if they’re so damned scared about splitting the vote. It’s not like they’re particularly interested in winning anyway.

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      MAGA took over the Republican Party for a reason if the progressives were able to organize their way out of a paper bag they could do it themselves.

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        19 days ago

        if the progressives were able to organize their way out of a paper bag

        Well, join them.

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      The only thing you need to remember is that political parties, by law, cannot restrict candidates from running under that party banner. Superdelegates are how the Democratic Party leadership attempts to skirt this and put its thumb on the scale, but after the Clinton-Sanders debacle, their power was diminished.

      An ideological takeover of the party is possible. It just requires progressive candidates to get elected.

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        Nah, fuck that IMO, even the name itself is beyond saving

        A new actually progressive party that brings about a new system is the ideal path forward at this point if the goal is to meet the needs of the people and actually give everyone a chance, that’s my current opinion on the topic from my current perspective (saying this because things are changing quick so idk WTF is going to happen in reality)

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          Never going to happen until most of all states have ranked choice or star voting. First past the post is basically designed for only 2 parties.

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            16 days ago

            Okay, if you believe that’s the way forward, what are you doing to further that goal? Or what do you believe are steps that folks can realistically take to bring that about as fast as possible, so as to prevent as much harm as possible?

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              That’s a good point. I have not been very politically active besides encouraging friends and family to vote. But I think a campaign for signatures for Star or Ranked Choice voting would be the first step, at least here in Florida since enough signatures should put it on the ballot. But Desantis is pretty good at squashing this stuff since it requires 60% approval. Not sure the method for other states.

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        18 days ago

        more like co-opted the gop, they still have thier funding sources. i suspect progressive wont get the same funding from donors the grand ole democrats would.

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      Justice Dems as a separate party, not just a caucus, all of whom refuse to take corporate bribe money, would be amazing.