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    3 hours ago

    Am I awful for suggesting El sayed with AOC as vice instead?

    There are too many misogynistic shitbags and the race is too important.

    I want AOC to be our first female president, but 2028 seems like a bad time to risk it. 😕

    Woulda preferred she ran in 2024 instead of Kamala.

    She’s got my vote either way. Just, shit ain’t stable, and plenty of the folks that don’t support Donald Trump will never vote for a woman president.

    Sigh.

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      There are too many misogynistic shitbags

      Doesn’t matter who runs, fascist propaganda will attack them. Similar concerns about Obama, although not as severe because fascism was less out in the open.

      The times are calling for real progressives. I think that’s the only way to overcome the fascists. Not with Right Wing Lite™ like Newsom.

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      El Sayed isn’t DSA. AOC is.

      If El Sayed wants to join the party they are more than welcome, but you shouldn’t expect DSA to endorse someone not DSA.

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      I think you’re right, and you can call me a “Bernie Bro” all you want… If you compare Abdul’s prowess in terms of public speaking on the fly with AOC’s you will see a big difference and Abdul wins hands-down. He will also get the misogynist vote, which yes, is important, as we saw in 2016.

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        This has been my biggest critique of AOC for the previous 4 years. After her tussle with Pelosi and getting banged up in that, she started taking only much safer media pieces. She stopped going on basically any media where journalists would challenge her, and also only took “forum” type questions where she had the mic and the questioner didnt.

        So there was a solid 3, 3 and a half years of that, and she got soft. She lost her edge from 2017. But Bernie brought her back out with their combined tour. And since then she’s been sharpening her edge. She still wont take contested media spaces. But she’s doing better.

        Ro Khanna has been far better at taking controversial media. Same with El Sayed. AOC needs to sharpen her game here.

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        I’d be so happy with 2 years of El Sayed / AOC leading to 2 years of AOC / El Sayed. At least at this moment in both of their track records and given the current state of the US.

        You ask me this in 2022, I’m here for AOC 100%, In just sour on how my party treated Kamala. I don’t trust them to do AOC justice in a campaign after that.

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          I think it would be rad to have the scenario you talk about… the two of them, but they switch roles.

          Kamala tried, but she was never a favorite of anyone even during the primary.

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          More of them will. That’s my point. Especially if fox news keeps sexualizing him.

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          I think you’d be surprised. All you have to do is listen to him to know he’s on the up-and-up. I think they would respect his confidence. Whereas AOC is already the new “most hated woman in politics” now that Hillary and Pelosi are out of it, in their minds. She has no chance.