A Ukrainian drone struck a civilian bus on the Krasnodar-Melitopol route in Zaporozhye Region, with all 11 people aboard escaping unharmed, officials say
yes, because surely the people who’ve been guilty of lying multiple times in the past and are still trying to lie for israel would never lie about this? surely?
The difference being that when you try to compare sources and find out what is actually going on, the bullshit defending Israel doesn’t hold, but the things about Russia do.
Or is it that the concept is that once you see that someone is lying, you assume that they are the only ones lying, and the only ones unable to say the truth, and you start blindly believing another liar?
Also the whole thing with Russia invading Ukraine is that they’re claiming they are nazis, how do you explain that western countries that are heavily and openly supportive of nazis, would suddenly try to bullshit and deny that Ukraine is a nazi country? The same governments that do a minute of silence when a nazi terrorist gets killed during an attempted attack, that support the genocide in Palestine, would suddenly get cold feet and just deny that Ukraine is a gigantic nazi country?
If it were the case, they wouldn’t deny it, they would start saying that no “democracy” can be attacked for its political decisions and basically defending the nazi rights. For them not to be doing that means that the nazi narrative is just bullshit.
But I don’t know why I’m bothering trying to argue here, you can’t really debunk someone brainwashed by propaganda with just a few messages.
But they are condemning the nazism! Youi cannot be openly nazi, but you absolutely can be openly racist and chauvinistic. Par for the course in the west I’d say, seeing how many “russia bad”, “stop sucking putin’s dick”, “go back to daddy putin” type bullshit is spewed absolutely fucking everywhere. Also I think you’re confusing me for someone else, seeing your attack on a fucking strawman right there. Why don’t you grow up and then try argumenting again? But no, you won’t, because it’s apparently me who’s propagandaized and untihinking, willfully and gleefully eating the imperial koolaid. get fucked, removed. maybe you’ll see the errors of your opinions once the nazis in ukraine hang in nooses and the war is over. though i’m not holding my breath.
They are not condemning the nazis, they are using it as an excuse. Do you really believe that an openly fascist dictatorship is hostile to fascism? And who said that you cannot be openly nazi? Have you not seen all the nazi salutes being done in front of crowds by various pieces of shit all over the world? What timeline are you living in? The time when nazis would have to hide is long, long gone. It feels like you’re living in an alternate universe to be able to say that.
Anyway, let me get this right. Putin wants to exterminate minorities, but then he fights nazis? Oh please, be serious.
And let’s push the argument then. There are nazis in Ukraine, so the country deserves to be invaded. There are nazis all throughout Europe (actually a big current problem), so Putin should invade all of Europe, possibly the whole world. So your solution to fascists is to have a dictator conquer the world? (And if you’re going to argue that he’s not a dictator, well you’re too far gone I guess.)
Also, why pick Ukraine specifically, instead of all the more influential countries that also have nazis? It’s very convenient that the one nazi country Russia targets is one that has desirable territory for Russia, what a stroke of luck!
And finally, I’m not going to see errors of my opinions if Russia wins because I’m not going to believe the show they make of their defeated enemy, history is written by the winners and the fact that you believe a win from Russia would prove that they are right shows the lack of rationality in your opinion.
To see errors of my opinions, I’d need Russia to lose or stop attacking, and to see Ukraine go clearly full nazi now that the threat is gone. And I don’t see that happening any more than it has been happening with all modern “democracies” that are failing due to a weakness to the fascist ideology in its new form; and if Ukraine has nazis just like other democracies, that would still defeat the narrative of Russia, that “Ukraine is nazi”, and just show that nazis are a threat for Ukraine and democracies in general.
Your message is basically empty of substance, as if you cannot even find any in what you’re thinking. Maybe it would be time to think about what you think, for once.
And let’s push the argument then. There are nazis in Ukraine, so the country deserves to be invaded. There are nazis all throughout Europe (actually a big current problem), so Putin should invade all of Europe, possibly the whole world.
The neonazis in Ukraine were both in positions of power and engaged in the beginning of a genocide against ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. That’s not quite the same as there just being neonazi street gangs or something.
There’s people in powerful positions making nazi salutes in front of crowds. There’s governments doing a minute of silence to honour a nazi terrorist that died while attempting an attack. There’s most of the western world supporting a genocidal Israel. Even if what you said was true, it goes with a general trend and is unrelated to Ukraine. The question remains, why Ukraine and not a more influential country first?
And again, even assuming that what you said is true… Do you really, actually believe that this would be fighting against the nazis, not just fighting exclusively for the interest of Russian people? If those alleged nazi Ukrainians were killing Americans instead of Russians, Russia would do the same? It’s all about personal gain, there is nothing about fighting fascism here.
The question remains, why Ukraine and not a more influential country first?
Ukraine is literally right next door, and was in the process of starting a genocide on Russia’s border. That’s significant.
And again, even assuming that what you said is true… Do you really, actually believe that this would be fighting against the nazis, not just fighting exclusively for the interest of Russian people? If those alleged nazi Ukrainians were killing Americans instead of Russians, Russia would do the same? It’s all about personal gain, there is nothing about fighting fascism here.
It’s both, nations always act in their own interests. It’s not a charity.
But do you believe Russia should have just stood idly by and let a genocide against ethnic Russians happen? Do you think they even could? Their own people demanded action, they had families in Ukraine that were in danger and needed Russian support.
There’s most of the western world supporting a genocidal Israel.
Worth noting, Russia is supporting Iran in their struggle against a genocidal Israel.
What about the soldiers that it keeps on sending to their deaths, that are much more numerous than whatever “genocide” Ukraine could have been doing from their border?
What about the people sent to forced labor in jail for doing nothing else than voice a slight critic of Putin, and that then get sent to the frontlines?
You can bullshit whatever you want about Russia, saying that it cares about its own people is bullshit. And even if they did, being fine invading countries to “protect your own people” is a very typically fascist thing, and the nazis were fond of this idea for example.
Russia is supporting Iran against Israel? Then why not support Palestine, who needs support even more, and from long before? Seems like they don’t care so much about nazis, just about what geopolitical conflict they can profit from.
Propaganda bullshit brought straight to you from Russian State media.
It’s incredible how many Russian sympathizers there are on Lemmy. It’s become completely overrun with troll accounts.
Having a different opinion than you doesn’t make someone a troll.
I agree, but have you seen OP’s profile? Every second post is straight from the Russian propaganda machine.
Do you think that a Ukrainian drone causing a Russian passenger bus to catch fire, as the headline at least asserts, did not actually happen? Why not?
You were taught Russian state media is bullshit from Western state media sources, the same states responsible for all this
yes, because surely the people who’ve been guilty of lying multiple times in the past and are still trying to lie for israel would never lie about this? surely?
The difference being that when you try to compare sources and find out what is actually going on, the bullshit defending Israel doesn’t hold, but the things about Russia do.
Or is it that the concept is that once you see that someone is lying, you assume that they are the only ones lying, and the only ones unable to say the truth, and you start blindly believing another liar?
Also the whole thing with Russia invading Ukraine is that they’re claiming they are nazis, how do you explain that western countries that are heavily and openly supportive of nazis, would suddenly try to bullshit and deny that Ukraine is a nazi country? The same governments that do a minute of silence when a nazi terrorist gets killed during an attempted attack, that support the genocide in Palestine, would suddenly get cold feet and just deny that Ukraine is a gigantic nazi country? If it were the case, they wouldn’t deny it, they would start saying that no “democracy” can be attacked for its political decisions and basically defending the nazi rights. For them not to be doing that means that the nazi narrative is just bullshit.
But I don’t know why I’m bothering trying to argue here, you can’t really debunk someone brainwashed by propaganda with just a few messages.
“This is different because I want to believe it is”
But they are condemning the nazism! Youi cannot be openly nazi, but you absolutely can be openly racist and chauvinistic. Par for the course in the west I’d say, seeing how many “russia bad”, “stop sucking putin’s dick”, “go back to daddy putin” type bullshit is spewed absolutely fucking everywhere. Also I think you’re confusing me for someone else, seeing your attack on a fucking strawman right there. Why don’t you grow up and then try argumenting again? But no, you won’t, because it’s apparently me who’s propagandaized and untihinking, willfully and gleefully eating the imperial koolaid. get fucked, removed. maybe you’ll see the errors of your opinions once the nazis in ukraine hang in nooses and the war is over. though i’m not holding my breath.
They are not condemning the nazis, they are using it as an excuse. Do you really believe that an openly fascist dictatorship is hostile to fascism? And who said that you cannot be openly nazi? Have you not seen all the nazi salutes being done in front of crowds by various pieces of shit all over the world? What timeline are you living in? The time when nazis would have to hide is long, long gone. It feels like you’re living in an alternate universe to be able to say that.
Anyway, let me get this right. Putin wants to exterminate minorities, but then he fights nazis? Oh please, be serious.
And let’s push the argument then. There are nazis in Ukraine, so the country deserves to be invaded. There are nazis all throughout Europe (actually a big current problem), so Putin should invade all of Europe, possibly the whole world. So your solution to fascists is to have a dictator conquer the world? (And if you’re going to argue that he’s not a dictator, well you’re too far gone I guess.) Also, why pick Ukraine specifically, instead of all the more influential countries that also have nazis? It’s very convenient that the one nazi country Russia targets is one that has desirable territory for Russia, what a stroke of luck!
And finally, I’m not going to see errors of my opinions if Russia wins because I’m not going to believe the show they make of their defeated enemy, history is written by the winners and the fact that you believe a win from Russia would prove that they are right shows the lack of rationality in your opinion.
To see errors of my opinions, I’d need Russia to lose or stop attacking, and to see Ukraine go clearly full nazi now that the threat is gone. And I don’t see that happening any more than it has been happening with all modern “democracies” that are failing due to a weakness to the fascist ideology in its new form; and if Ukraine has nazis just like other democracies, that would still defeat the narrative of Russia, that “Ukraine is nazi”, and just show that nazis are a threat for Ukraine and democracies in general.
Your message is basically empty of substance, as if you cannot even find any in what you’re thinking. Maybe it would be time to think about what you think, for once.
The neonazis in Ukraine were both in positions of power and engaged in the beginning of a genocide against ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. That’s not quite the same as there just being neonazi street gangs or something.
There’s people in powerful positions making nazi salutes in front of crowds. There’s governments doing a minute of silence to honour a nazi terrorist that died while attempting an attack. There’s most of the western world supporting a genocidal Israel. Even if what you said was true, it goes with a general trend and is unrelated to Ukraine. The question remains, why Ukraine and not a more influential country first?
And again, even assuming that what you said is true… Do you really, actually believe that this would be fighting against the nazis, not just fighting exclusively for the interest of Russian people? If those alleged nazi Ukrainians were killing Americans instead of Russians, Russia would do the same? It’s all about personal gain, there is nothing about fighting fascism here.
Ukraine is literally right next door, and was in the process of starting a genocide on Russia’s border. That’s significant.
It’s both, nations always act in their own interests. It’s not a charity.
But do you believe Russia should have just stood idly by and let a genocide against ethnic Russians happen? Do you think they even could? Their own people demanded action, they had families in Ukraine that were in danger and needed Russian support.
Worth noting, Russia is supporting Iran in their struggle against a genocidal Israel.
So Russia loves its “own people” so much, fine.
What about LGBT people that it hunts down?
What about political opponents that it murders?
What about the soldiers that it keeps on sending to their deaths, that are much more numerous than whatever “genocide” Ukraine could have been doing from their border?
What about the people sent to forced labor in jail for doing nothing else than voice a slight critic of Putin, and that then get sent to the frontlines?
You can bullshit whatever you want about Russia, saying that it cares about its own people is bullshit. And even if they did, being fine invading countries to “protect your own people” is a very typically fascist thing, and the nazis were fond of this idea for example.
Russia is supporting Iran against Israel? Then why not support Palestine, who needs support even more, and from long before? Seems like they don’t care so much about nazis, just about what geopolitical conflict they can profit from.
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