A Ukrainian drone struck a civilian bus on the Krasnodar-Melitopol route in Zaporozhye Region, with all 11 people aboard escaping unharmed, officials say
But they are condemning the nazism! Youi cannot be openly nazi, but you absolutely can be openly racist and chauvinistic. Par for the course in the west I’d say, seeing how many “russia bad”, “stop sucking putin’s dick”, “go back to daddy putin” type bullshit is spewed absolutely fucking everywhere. Also I think you’re confusing me for someone else, seeing your attack on a fucking strawman right there. Why don’t you grow up and then try argumenting again? But no, you won’t, because it’s apparently me who’s propagandaized and untihinking, willfully and gleefully eating the imperial koolaid. get fucked, removed. maybe you’ll see the errors of your opinions once the nazis in ukraine hang in nooses and the war is over. though i’m not holding my breath.
They are not condemning the nazis, they are using it as an excuse. Do you really believe that an openly fascist dictatorship is hostile to fascism? And who said that you cannot be openly nazi? Have you not seen all the nazi salutes being done in front of crowds by various pieces of shit all over the world? What timeline are you living in? The time when nazis would have to hide is long, long gone. It feels like you’re living in an alternate universe to be able to say that.
Anyway, let me get this right. Putin wants to exterminate minorities, but then he fights nazis? Oh please, be serious.
And let’s push the argument then. There are nazis in Ukraine, so the country deserves to be invaded. There are nazis all throughout Europe (actually a big current problem), so Putin should invade all of Europe, possibly the whole world. So your solution to fascists is to have a dictator conquer the world? (And if you’re going to argue that he’s not a dictator, well you’re too far gone I guess.)
Also, why pick Ukraine specifically, instead of all the more influential countries that also have nazis? It’s very convenient that the one nazi country Russia targets is one that has desirable territory for Russia, what a stroke of luck!
And finally, I’m not going to see errors of my opinions if Russia wins because I’m not going to believe the show they make of their defeated enemy, history is written by the winners and the fact that you believe a win from Russia would prove that they are right shows the lack of rationality in your opinion.
To see errors of my opinions, I’d need Russia to lose or stop attacking, and to see Ukraine go clearly full nazi now that the threat is gone. And I don’t see that happening any more than it has been happening with all modern “democracies” that are failing due to a weakness to the fascist ideology in its new form; and if Ukraine has nazis just like other democracies, that would still defeat the narrative of Russia, that “Ukraine is nazi”, and just show that nazis are a threat for Ukraine and democracies in general.
Your message is basically empty of substance, as if you cannot even find any in what you’re thinking. Maybe it would be time to think about what you think, for once.
And let’s push the argument then. There are nazis in Ukraine, so the country deserves to be invaded. There are nazis all throughout Europe (actually a big current problem), so Putin should invade all of Europe, possibly the whole world.
The neonazis in Ukraine were both in positions of power and engaged in the beginning of a genocide against ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. That’s not quite the same as there just being neonazi street gangs or something.
There’s people in powerful positions making nazi salutes in front of crowds. There’s governments doing a minute of silence to honour a nazi terrorist that died while attempting an attack. There’s most of the western world supporting a genocidal Israel. Even if what you said was true, it goes with a general trend and is unrelated to Ukraine. The question remains, why Ukraine and not a more influential country first?
And again, even assuming that what you said is true… Do you really, actually believe that this would be fighting against the nazis, not just fighting exclusively for the interest of Russian people? If those alleged nazi Ukrainians were killing Americans instead of Russians, Russia would do the same? It’s all about personal gain, there is nothing about fighting fascism here.
The question remains, why Ukraine and not a more influential country first?
Ukraine is literally right next door, and was in the process of starting a genocide on Russia’s border. That’s significant.
And again, even assuming that what you said is true… Do you really, actually believe that this would be fighting against the nazis, not just fighting exclusively for the interest of Russian people? If those alleged nazi Ukrainians were killing Americans instead of Russians, Russia would do the same? It’s all about personal gain, there is nothing about fighting fascism here.
It’s both, nations always act in their own interests. It’s not a charity.
But do you believe Russia should have just stood idly by and let a genocide against ethnic Russians happen? Do you think they even could? Their own people demanded action, they had families in Ukraine that were in danger and needed Russian support.
There’s most of the western world supporting a genocidal Israel.
Worth noting, Russia is supporting Iran in their struggle against a genocidal Israel.
What about the soldiers that it keeps on sending to their deaths, that are much more numerous than whatever “genocide” Ukraine could have been doing from their border?
What about the people sent to forced labor in jail for doing nothing else than voice a slight critic of Putin, and that then get sent to the frontlines?
You can bullshit whatever you want about Russia, saying that it cares about its own people is bullshit. And even if they did, being fine invading countries to “protect your own people” is a very typically fascist thing, and the nazis were fond of this idea for example.
Russia is supporting Iran against Israel? Then why not support Palestine, who needs support even more, and from long before? Seems like they don’t care so much about nazis, just about what geopolitical conflict they can profit from.
Russia isn’t some bastion of goodness or something. They have many internal contradictions that need to be resolved before they get my uncritical support. I merely see them as the lesser evil in this conflict, because they are opposed to the US empire.
They follow the same morals as the “US empire” though.
Also, it’s circular reasoning. You believe that Russia is right according to Russian sources that don’t seem very coherent, because you believe that Russia is right. I have yet to find any convincing evidence of Ukraine being a nazi country, and as the one that started the attack, the charge of the proof falls onto Russia. I have seen the “proof” they were using at the beginning of the invasion, and it was absolutely not convincing, it was some cherrypicking of obsolete links that didn’t mean much anymore. And after that, most of the justifications used were sounding like Trump’s justifications to attack random countries. Ironically enough, the US and Russia are very similar.
For me I believe in only supporting moral stuff, and I’m not going to defend an oppressive fascist dictatorship, even if they are attacking other fascists. And in this case, the second part is yet to prove.
Supporting the lesser evil is also what led to all current democracies falling into fascism and discrimination. If you take a look at France, Macron has been seen as the lesser evil, and has been consistently and successfully popularizing and supporting the far right. The lesser evil is still evil.
I believe Russia is right not just according to Russian sources, but from my understanding of empire. The US is usually on the wrong side of every conflict with only a couple notable exceptions that happened before my parents were even born, I see no reason to assume this is any different. It’s that momentum of history plus non-Western sources that convinced me.
And I’m certainly not going to convince you, we’ve both made up our minds, but we weren’t talking about that.
We were assuming what I’m saying is true i.e. that Russia is intervening to stop the Banderite NATO puppet regime from enacting a genocide of ethnic Russians. If we assume that is true, then Russia must be supported in this specific conflict even if they’re still reactionary on many fronts and still a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Do you disagree?
But they are condemning the nazism! Youi cannot be openly nazi, but you absolutely can be openly racist and chauvinistic. Par for the course in the west I’d say, seeing how many “russia bad”, “stop sucking putin’s dick”, “go back to daddy putin” type bullshit is spewed absolutely fucking everywhere. Also I think you’re confusing me for someone else, seeing your attack on a fucking strawman right there. Why don’t you grow up and then try argumenting again? But no, you won’t, because it’s apparently me who’s propagandaized and untihinking, willfully and gleefully eating the imperial koolaid. get fucked, removed. maybe you’ll see the errors of your opinions once the nazis in ukraine hang in nooses and the war is over. though i’m not holding my breath.
They are not condemning the nazis, they are using it as an excuse. Do you really believe that an openly fascist dictatorship is hostile to fascism? And who said that you cannot be openly nazi? Have you not seen all the nazi salutes being done in front of crowds by various pieces of shit all over the world? What timeline are you living in? The time when nazis would have to hide is long, long gone. It feels like you’re living in an alternate universe to be able to say that.
Anyway, let me get this right. Putin wants to exterminate minorities, but then he fights nazis? Oh please, be serious.
And let’s push the argument then. There are nazis in Ukraine, so the country deserves to be invaded. There are nazis all throughout Europe (actually a big current problem), so Putin should invade all of Europe, possibly the whole world. So your solution to fascists is to have a dictator conquer the world? (And if you’re going to argue that he’s not a dictator, well you’re too far gone I guess.) Also, why pick Ukraine specifically, instead of all the more influential countries that also have nazis? It’s very convenient that the one nazi country Russia targets is one that has desirable territory for Russia, what a stroke of luck!
And finally, I’m not going to see errors of my opinions if Russia wins because I’m not going to believe the show they make of their defeated enemy, history is written by the winners and the fact that you believe a win from Russia would prove that they are right shows the lack of rationality in your opinion.
To see errors of my opinions, I’d need Russia to lose or stop attacking, and to see Ukraine go clearly full nazi now that the threat is gone. And I don’t see that happening any more than it has been happening with all modern “democracies” that are failing due to a weakness to the fascist ideology in its new form; and if Ukraine has nazis just like other democracies, that would still defeat the narrative of Russia, that “Ukraine is nazi”, and just show that nazis are a threat for Ukraine and democracies in general.
Your message is basically empty of substance, as if you cannot even find any in what you’re thinking. Maybe it would be time to think about what you think, for once.
The neonazis in Ukraine were both in positions of power and engaged in the beginning of a genocide against ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. That’s not quite the same as there just being neonazi street gangs or something.
There’s people in powerful positions making nazi salutes in front of crowds. There’s governments doing a minute of silence to honour a nazi terrorist that died while attempting an attack. There’s most of the western world supporting a genocidal Israel. Even if what you said was true, it goes with a general trend and is unrelated to Ukraine. The question remains, why Ukraine and not a more influential country first?
And again, even assuming that what you said is true… Do you really, actually believe that this would be fighting against the nazis, not just fighting exclusively for the interest of Russian people? If those alleged nazi Ukrainians were killing Americans instead of Russians, Russia would do the same? It’s all about personal gain, there is nothing about fighting fascism here.
Ukraine is literally right next door, and was in the process of starting a genocide on Russia’s border. That’s significant.
It’s both, nations always act in their own interests. It’s not a charity.
But do you believe Russia should have just stood idly by and let a genocide against ethnic Russians happen? Do you think they even could? Their own people demanded action, they had families in Ukraine that were in danger and needed Russian support.
Worth noting, Russia is supporting Iran in their struggle against a genocidal Israel.
So Russia loves its “own people” so much, fine.
What about LGBT people that it hunts down?
What about political opponents that it murders?
What about the soldiers that it keeps on sending to their deaths, that are much more numerous than whatever “genocide” Ukraine could have been doing from their border?
What about the people sent to forced labor in jail for doing nothing else than voice a slight critic of Putin, and that then get sent to the frontlines?
You can bullshit whatever you want about Russia, saying that it cares about its own people is bullshit. And even if they did, being fine invading countries to “protect your own people” is a very typically fascist thing, and the nazis were fond of this idea for example.
Russia is supporting Iran against Israel? Then why not support Palestine, who needs support even more, and from long before? Seems like they don’t care so much about nazis, just about what geopolitical conflict they can profit from.
Russia isn’t some bastion of goodness or something. They have many internal contradictions that need to be resolved before they get my uncritical support. I merely see them as the lesser evil in this conflict, because they are opposed to the US empire.
Don’t you believe in supporting the lesser evil?
They follow the same morals as the “US empire” though.
Also, it’s circular reasoning. You believe that Russia is right according to Russian sources that don’t seem very coherent, because you believe that Russia is right. I have yet to find any convincing evidence of Ukraine being a nazi country, and as the one that started the attack, the charge of the proof falls onto Russia. I have seen the “proof” they were using at the beginning of the invasion, and it was absolutely not convincing, it was some cherrypicking of obsolete links that didn’t mean much anymore. And after that, most of the justifications used were sounding like Trump’s justifications to attack random countries. Ironically enough, the US and Russia are very similar.
For me I believe in only supporting moral stuff, and I’m not going to defend an oppressive fascist dictatorship, even if they are attacking other fascists. And in this case, the second part is yet to prove.
Supporting the lesser evil is also what led to all current democracies falling into fascism and discrimination. If you take a look at France, Macron has been seen as the lesser evil, and has been consistently and successfully popularizing and supporting the far right. The lesser evil is still evil.
I believe Russia is right not just according to Russian sources, but from my understanding of empire. The US is usually on the wrong side of every conflict with only a couple notable exceptions that happened before my parents were even born, I see no reason to assume this is any different. It’s that momentum of history plus non-Western sources that convinced me.
And I’m certainly not going to convince you, we’ve both made up our minds, but we weren’t talking about that.
We were assuming what I’m saying is true i.e. that Russia is intervening to stop the Banderite NATO puppet regime from enacting a genocide of ethnic Russians. If we assume that is true, then Russia must be supported in this specific conflict even if they’re still reactionary on many fronts and still a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Do you disagree?