The 14th Amendment says no State can “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”. This bill is literally saying it will protect some marriages and not others. DOA.
DOA
I mean, that would be nice if it was true, but there are enough fascists in control of enough legislative and judicial bodies that it’s not a guarantee.
I’m so sick of these fucking fascists.
Until SCROTUS fucks it up.
It’s really infuriating how absolutely pants on head fucking stupid these people are.
Seriously… why do you dumb fucks give a shit what other people do amongst consenting adults? It’s supposed to be “a free country”, but these idiots keep curtailing freedoms while still claiming “freedom”.
Fuck. Off.
There was an article years ago that delved into the differences between the Northern version of freedom vs. the Southern kind. The problem as a country is that normal Americans keep talking about “freedom” and assuming everyone has the same definition of what freedom and liberty mean. I wish I could dig that article up; I used to share it all the time. Of course cons would try to act like these differences did not really exist, when they absolutely do.
Essentially: the Southern kind of “freedom” is predominantly obsessed with the freedom to rule over property and not have anyone else tell you what you can do with your property. That property may include other humans.
I suspect that’s why some people that keep lying about “whole cities burning down” under BLM are so worked up - they view property damage as something just as bad as, possibly worse than, the murder of a human being, especially if the human being is not considered a worthy victim.
Probably stems from latent slavery where whites were land owners.
No, it’s older than that. It’s what militant civilizations were based on, this idea that it was fine and normal to go around with your warriors and dominate other groups while doing everything you could to prevent other groups from dominating you.
Just instead of swords and spears being the main arena to determine who dominates who, now there’s a system where words determine who dominates the other in a particular issue and it is enforced by warriors that answers to another neutral (in theory, not always in practice) power.
The conservatives are just never going to give up on the culture war bullshit. This is why none of them should ever be allowed into office.
It’s in their DNA, they cannot help it. Don’t buy into the other bullshit, thinking they’ll be “gud at 'conomy” and that they don’t really mean it when it comes to their culture warrior demagoguery. They absolutely mean it. Some of them even think there should be capital punishment for homosexual acts. Because bible, that’s why.
It’s all they’ve got. They don’t want to govern they want to rule. Culture war shit keeps their base riled up and keeps them in power.
These fucking POS headlines really piss me off. This is so private companies can discriminate, keep people off their insurance, etc.
The Tennessee House of Representatives passed a controversial bill Thursday that would allow private citizens and organizations to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages without facing punishment.
House Bill 1473, filed by Republican Representative Gino Bulso, of Brentwood, would not outlaw same-sex marriages but legally establishes that people outside of government don’t have to recognize same-sex marriages as valid and cannot be punished for it.
The legislation also states that private people and groups aren’t bound by the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees due process and outlaws discrimination at the state level.
Opponents worry the bill would allow private hospitals, banks and other businesses to refuse to do business with gay and lesbian couples. They fear it could eventually allow private discrimination against bi-racial couples, immigrants and others.
Yeah that’s straight up an attempt to relegalize segregation
Anything to be a bigot, I guess.
You know we could solve this problem pretty easily if everyone would just admit citrus fruits turn people gay and make kids trans.
Does this mean I can personally deny the recognition of other government proceedings? If so, I’m for it.
So aside from the fourteenth amendment issues, this also runs afoul of the full faith and credit clause of the constitution. It’s dead on arrival.
Full faith and credit never stopped the refusal of some states to recognize other states’ gay marriages. It should have but didn’t
You aren’t wrong, but some of us (can you tell I have attorneys and judges in the family) believe in engaging with the system in good faith when and where able, and kicking back when it doesn’t engage back in good faith.
We’re running out of that when and where able lately it seems, but my perspective as always is limited
That’s fair, i just suspect that that element won’t be upheld and am still bitter that it wasn’t then
i have lost a toothcap grinding with you sibling
This is all so stupid. It’s the religious term “marriage” that they all fight for. Give it to them.
Instead government issues and recognizes contractual unions between two consenting adults.
Problem solved.
Separate but equal is not the solution you think it is.
It does not have to be separate. No legally recognized marriage for anyone. You want marriage, go to a priest. No reason for gov to stick their nose in.
It is pretty much a violation of separation of church and state to take a religious term from a religious ritual like marriage and giving it legal weight.
I think you made my point better than me.
Give it to them.
Excuse me? Absolutely fucking not. You don’t get to concede my marriage, and to be frank, fuck you for even suggesting it.
Instead government issues and recognizes contractual unions between two consenting adults.
Marriage is not a “contract”. A contract binds two parties to an agreement. Marriage binds many third parties to be obligated to recognize it for things like hospital visitation, privilege to not be forced to testify against one’s own spouse, “married filing jointly”, and hundreds more examples.
This argument you’re making right now is the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT I was having with people vocally and financially supporting band on same-sex marriage in the 2000s. I thought this braindead bigoted bullshit died in the 2010s, but here you are
I think you missed the main term in my response. Union. A union is a recognized formation of parts that work together for a common interest or purpose.
A “union” could be designated to have all rights and privileges that you lay out as only reserved for marriage. But a union could also go further. It could go into any level of granularity that the people of the union specify that might be ambiguous with typical “marriage rights”. If marriage defines everything then what’s the point of a prenup? Also, ALL of your examples can be superseded by other legal agreements, contracts, wills, etc. For example, a signed power of attorney takes priority of hospital decisions.
I’m making quite the opposite point on same-sex marriage.
That’s a lot of “could” and “would” doing a lot of work while ultimately still in support of fascist bigoted bullshit.
All hypothetical shit when the actual, currently working concept of marriage already exists
Now you lost me. Are you saying the current system of marriage works and at the same time insisting I’m the one against same sex marriage?
Yes to both. Your original suggestion is to strip me and my husband of our marriage.
No, I’m trying to get your family recognized nationwide by using a different term to remove the barrier to rights and privileges. I’m separating church and state. I’m suggesting the freedom to get “married” by whatever religion accepts people for who they are. I’m saying the government should recognize when two people decide to contribute to society as one.
You can do both is my point. Get a certificate of union from the government (establish rights) and then go get married by whomever you want. Again problem solved.
Why not? The usa passed a law requiring a fruit to be a vegetable (the tomato). It’s anything goes when constructing their brave new world.
Next they’ll declare pi equals 3
“Vegetable” isn’t a botanical term, and I doubt something like cucumber or corn or snow peas would get the same pushback. The legal designation matters for taxation and is totally normal.
Cool, so now we can really know who the bigots are, and avoid them and let everyone else know.
We tried but they won all the branches of government anyway.
TN will always be red, it’s littered with conservative evangelicals. Even in the most educated parts, it’s still got the religious right wing idiots. Laws like this are going to just highlight the idiots who are bigots and think this magically makes them part of the in crowd. When the hate flows. Everyone should abandon these people.
In this world you either adapt or die. Looks like the Tennessee house just refuses to adapt… Shame.
I don’t recognize the authority of Tennessee House
Why does anyone live in Tennessee?
Once you incest you just can’t stop.
