It was fascism this time 12 months ago when Trump had women and people of colors plaques and images covered at national museums and at nasa.
When they banned words from research. Like: women. Female. Bias, transgender, equality. Privilege.
When they prosecuted women as murderers for having a safe first trimester termination of pregnancy.
When they started demanding a woman must die before any medical procedures would be performed that could harm a fetus, even if that fetus was dead or non viable.
When they removed black veterans stories from the VA websites and other government websites.
When they changed the dod to the department of war.
My gawd. This all started a year ago. It was fascism then.
It was clearly fascism when Project 2025 was leaked.
It wasn’t leaked. The people who made it made a website and publicly posted it. They announced their fascist agenda and still people ignored it
Shocked. I am shocked. Shocked I tell you.
It was fascism in 2016 when he promised to ban people from entering the US based on religion.
Sure, all of that is true.
Why would you (not you, daannii, the general ‘you’) want to alienate an ally by rubbing that in their face?
You get a little emotional boost by feeling self-righteous in exchange for helping splinter the enemies of Fascism.
Welcome converts, don’t spit on them.
I’d like to take this opportunity to express the profoundly tragic failure of Democrats to mount any kind of meaningful opposition to this fascist project, that has been underway since at least the Reagan administration.
Also the fact that Donny got off for January 6th still blows my fucking mind.
That’s because they’re fine with fascism too. This isn’t a fight between parties. It’s a fight between the rich owner class and everyone else.
They just voted to fund ICE. Again.
I’m glad you got there eventually. Keep listening closely to the people who told you this years ago, they are clearly more perceptive than you.
I wonder which of the 3000 things over the past decade changed their minds.
So the United States, once the world’s exemplary liberal democracy, is now a hybrid state combining a fascist leader and a liberal Constitution; but no, it has not fallen to fascism. And it will not.
Well that’s alright then. I almost thought the Atlantic was becoming less useless for a second there
“I declare it”
Fucking ridiculous. “Hitler is a Nazi, but Germany isnt Nazi!”
If they keep plugging their ears it can’t be true!
the United States, once the world’s exemplary liberal democracy
When?
Fascism is a big word with a lot of weight to it.
The more you get into politics and the more you debate with people across the aisle, the more you realize you have to be careful what words you use, so as not to lose credibility.
That being said…this is fascism. Period.
It’s happening. It’s happening now. It’s happening here. It’s not debatable anymore.
You guys are so screwed, I left Reddit cause of all the censorship and siding with the government.
I’ve had comment removed from this community for being incendiary, for saying Trump and ICE agents need to feel the force of the second amendment.
You guys are not even allowed to discuss anything further than a useless peaceful protest, or you get banned or shut down and silenced.
Even regular folk who mod on Lemmy are tripping over themselves to stop us from actually doing anything
.world communities are particularly squeamish about not toeing the corpo line.
No sub, on Lemmy or Reddit, is safe from power tripping mods. I’m currently dealing with a Lemmy mod on a few other Lemmy subs that’s abusing his mod powers.
The bottom line is the other mods either need to step in and reign the bad mods in or remove them, or their sub dies. Seen it on Reddit plenty of times. But I’ve also seen Reddit mods that successfully removed their bad actors and then everything was fine. So it could go either way.
Some things are best discussed privately.
You guys are not even allowed to discuss anything further than a useless peaceful protest, or you get banned or shut down and silenced.
Everyone who isn’t actively complicit is terrified of standing up and therefore standing out. It’s a rational response and one we’ve been struggling with since the era of modern policing.
Even regular folk who mod on Lemmy are tripping over themselves to stop us from actually doing anything
I see a lot of empty gestures towards “someone should do something”. I see books like “How to Blow Up A Pipeline” and movies like “One Battle After Another” exemplify and valorize domestic insurrection. It isn’t as though there’s some total censorship. And we have plenty of nominal organs of resistance - from charity groups to gun clubs to local political caucuses - that could “do something” if they knew what exactly it was they were trying to do.
But relatively few people want to risk their lives and livelihoods to take a turn at being Revolutionaries. We don’t have a revolutionary movement. We have a random collection of martyrs piling up in the street - people who did not wake up that morning and declare they were going to die for their cause, but were just swept up in the violence for the most token forms of resistance.
Lemmy mods don’t have to try particularly hard to squelch something that isn’t emergent.
Thinking it a term best avoided for reasons of decorum is part of what got us here.
So you literally ignored hitlers plot playing out until it was to late, and now it’s okay to call them hurtful name. Another banger from the Atlantic.
Well, welcome to the party, I guess.
Even if, as I put it in my other reply to a similarly limp dicked Atlantic article, you’re so late to the party that the caterers that were hired for it were deported by ICE months ago.
Stuff like this is why I unsubscribed. Just respectability politics.
I’m reminded of that smarmy dickhead that wrote “Liberal Fascism” that was about mansplaining how it was really the liberals that were the fascists.
Every conservative spent a lot of time telling me I simply must read this book.
Then there was Tucker, who said he’d have to blame liberals if he were to later support fascism because, really, what choice did he have? People kept calling him a fascist, the poor dear! And insisting that people Tucker doesn’t value have rights!
Yeah, that’s fucked. Liberals aren’t fascist, they’re just fascist enablers.
The Atlantic is the worst
Holy shit is this author incompetent.
Trump himself may be a pure “patrimonialist”. But to act like the rest of the American ruling class aren’t textbook corporatist fascists defies credulity.
What a fucking idiot. People like this can’t be trusted with a pen, much less a goddamned ballot.
Donald Trump is a complete scumbag.
I think this ‘attack them for being dumb’ angle is wrong and damaging.
Is your ego being salved by metaphorically spitting on someone and telling them that you were smarter than them and they should have listened to you sooner? Is that more important than having allies to defeat Fascism?
Every time I see someone on the right who speaks up about changing their views, they’re buried under down votes and toxic comments.
Nobody benefits from us allowing these toxic people to alienate people who are coming over to our side.
Yes, you were right first, congrats we’ll give you a big gold star right after the trials. Until then, stop shooting allies because you want to feel superior.
I think it’s telling that you’re getting down votes without response. Your question is simple: What do we have to gain by turning away potential allies other than massaging our egos?
It’s a good question.
What do, whoever is operating these toxic accounts, have to gain by turning away our potential allies?
To me, the people who are willing to alienate allies are in the same group as the ones pushing fear, uncertainty, doubt and division while encouraging violence.
I can’t know who they are or why they are saying what they are saying but the effect of their message creates a beneficial outcome for our opposition.
Pick a random one of these posters to engage in a conversation to change their mind and you will often find the same toxic behaviors, bad faith arguments, red herrings, strawman arguments. It’s like they’re all reading from the same encyclopedia of bad faith rhetoric.
In a position commanding a wide public audience, Jonathan Rauch has spent years speaking against us and mocking us. Today, he’s had an epiphany and figured out he’s been well-paid to be wrong. That’s cool. “Welcome to the fight. This time I know our side will win,” and all that.
I’m not going to waste any effort kicking him today, but I’m also not shocked, not scolding anyone who doesn’t welcome Jonathan Rauch with a bouquet of flowers and wet kisses. Anyway, in five days or five minutes he’ll decide we’re wrong again. Shrug.
Yeah, you’re right there will be a lot of fair weather supporters who are only switching sides because the wind blew our way. Nor do I think we should coddle these people.
My point is that: if you don’t have something constructive to say then at least be silent. There is ZERO advantage (outside of soothing their ego) for a person who supports this cause to actively attack people who are coming around to see how bad this situation has become.
The net result of this kind of tactic is to create division among allies. This kind of behavior isn’t something that benefits us and should be actively discouraged.
I’m not saying ‘be nice or they’ll go back to fascism’ as you can already see the troll comments (reading from that exact same encyclopedia of toxic rhetoric). I’m saying that this kind of behavior cuts off these new anti-fascists from being able to support the movement, dividing the enemies of fascism.
As I said, go try to engage some of these people in conversation to change their mind. Very often you’ll find they have zero interest in having a good-faith discussion, and will constantly be deploying all manner of fallacy as a smoke screen. These people are not allies, they are agitators and, even if they are real American Human People then they are ideologically aligned with the agitators.
Ha — how did you get to know my family so well? I’m not interested in conversation with people who aren’t interested in conversation, so I no longer engage — unless they say something stupid or fascist in my presence.
Ha — how did you get to know my family so well? I’m not interested in conversation with people who aren’t interested in conversation, so I no longer engage — unless they say something stupid or fascist in my presence.
I live in a rural area of a red state so I have to deal with MAGA people, family and clients, constantly.
