Senator Jeanne Shaheen just threw the minority leader under the bus.
Senator Jeanne Shaheen revealed that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer knew the entire time about the plan for a few Democrats to capitulate to Republicans on the government shutdown.
Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.
Aside from serving as further proof that the Democrats are failing to act as an opposition party in any meaningful way, Shaheen’s comments also reveal one of two possible scenarios. Either Schumer was scheming to end the shutdown behind the scenes, only pretending to be against it while pinning the blame on the eight people who aren’t up for reelection anytime soon, or he has no control over his party. Either way, it proves the need for Democrats to jettison the minority leader.
Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.
So she was bragging to Fox on her and her co-collaborators conservative bonafides.
Democrats as a party do have an issue with Republicans infiltrating…
The possibility of infiltrators is meaningless when the Democrats are themselves a pro-capitalist neoliberal party. Their fundamental class interests do not allow them to make reform that is beneficial to the working class. This is why whenever the Dems are in power they either outright refuse to do anything meaningful, or the reforms they do pass are so convoluted and means-tested-to-hell that they end up making things worse in some way.
Wrong way to look at it.
Democrats and republicans share the same donors. They may individually have different goals in mind, but their donors appeal to both sides to preserve a guaranteed outcome and to preserve the image of choice and opposition.
Really though what we have is anyone who wants to make a fast dime and has the gift of gab throwing themselves into the ring to try to get some of that sweet, sweet donor bribery.
Probably not Republicans. Just cunts that had a price tag higher than most. They are all being bought off for 10s of millions of dollars if not more. They all have an exit strategy. Make sure you are manning the doors the day they finally try to make their swift exit. They have been made promises that they and their families will be safe. Make them rue that decision.
The blue billionaires will save us bro trust me bro. Just wait to the midterms bro one more millionaire Democrat in power and we defeat facism trust time bro.
Billionaires are desperate to turn people away from the Dem party, because they can’t buy the next Dem presidential primary.
You’re pissed at Schumer? Good, he’s a giant ineffectual piece of shit
But now that he doesn’t have a corrupt DNC behind him, his days in office are numbered. So are the rest of the neoliberals and especially the ones who voted with republicans.
Don’t blame the party for what single digit number of assholes did. And definitely don’t leave the party by refusing to vote in Dem primaries.
Even if there’s nothing that could ever make you vote D in the general again, vote in every D primary and pull them left as hard as you can.
The only way neoliberals get the DNC back, is if people don’t vote in the next Dem presidential primary, a neoliberal squeaks thru, and if they become president, they name a neoliberal chair.
And neoliberals aren’t above sabotaging the Dem party to get the reins back.
It like the buy/sell ads for gold…
When billionaire owned media shits on the Dem party, it means the DNC is against billionaires.
When billionaire owned media supports the Dem party, it’s because they own it
THE DNC DOES NOT WANT TO OPPOSE THE GOP
Otherwise they would have their canidates oppose them in a meaningful way. They wouldn’t support right wing ideologies.
ffs
And neoliberals aren’t above sabotaging the Dem party to get the reins back.
How does he not have a corrupt DNC behind him?
Because Martin has a decade long track record of running fair primaries and putting 100% effort behind anyone who makes it to the general…
Like, you don’t have to put faith in Ken Martin, I’m sure as fuck never going to use “faith” to influence my politics.
But he’s a known variable. There is zero indication he’s going to act like the prior corrupt chairs (Tim Kaine who voted with republicans here was literally one of the corrupt chairs tho).
Especially since their power came from controlling the purse strings to state parties, and Martin is freely giving that power away by giving the money back to state parties, and has been for months.
I’m confident he won’t weild the DNC as a club, because he’s whittling it back down into the pencil it was always meant to be. Even if he does a 180 and the chair corrupts him, he wouldnt be able to do what prior chairs were doing.
If Martin starts fucking up, and you stay on Lemmy, I’m almost positive I’ll be the first one you hear it from. This shit is too important for blind loyalty to anyone. The second he starts fucking around, I’m gonna be bitching about it.
Personally I’ve been assuming that the DNC is the same as the one that screwed Bernie in 2016. If that’s not so then its really important to make that a news item. This current fiasco is going to make people want to abandon the Democrats as a rallying point.
“I took this job to fight Republicans, not Democrats,” he added. “As I said when I was elected, our fight is not within the Democratic Party, our fight is and has to be solely focused on Donald Trump and the disastrous Republican agenda. That’s the work that I will continue to do every day.”
It’s the same DNC. Ken Martin has committed to not doing anything internally and only focusing externally on Trump. We will have to see how this bold strategy plays out again.
I’ve been assuming that the DNC is the same as the one that screwed Bernie in 2016
That makes zero logical sense tho…
The DNC is the chair, the chair is the DNC. They have complete power and zero rails. In 2016 only the chair knew that Hillary was paying the DNC bills and in return she had final say over anything the DNC did.
If that’s not so then its really important to make that a news item.
If you’re waiting for billionaire owned media to tell you that billionaires lost the fight over the DNC…
You’re always going to be waiting.
If you’re waiting for non-billionaire owned media…
Well, I don’t know why you’re still waiting:
This current fiasco is going to make people want to abandon the Democrats as a rallying point.
Yes. That’s literally what I’m saying… That is the result they want.
The few Dems in office doing this, are doing it to turn people against the party, because the neoliberals only shot at winning the next presidential primary, is if most Dem voters don’t vote in it.
Even if it means republicans winning the general, they’d prefer that to a progressive becoming president. If that happens, the neoliberals will never get power again.
Did the billionaires really lose the fight over the DNC? I remain unconvinced because of these linked articles. No I’m not waiting for billionaire media to convince me or anyone. I’m not an idiot.
I’m saying if its the case that the DNC is trustworthy and not actually rooting for Schumer’s surrender monkey tactics, its important that that is communicated somehow to voters. But an interview or press release is not going to cut it. How about they provide evidence by taking some action, like cutting Schumer and the rest off from campaign funds? Or something.
I’m saying if its the case that the DNC
Stop thinking of it as “the DNC”.
It’s whoever the chair is. It’s a fucked system and we need to fix, but that’s the reality of it.
Like, in 2021 when Biden took office, did you think “the president was a Russian puppet, he’s still a Russian puppet!”
Even tho Donald Trump and Joe Biden are completely different people? Because that’s literally what you’re doing here.
Martin ran Minnesota’s state Dem party for a decade. Right up till the day he became DNC chair. He has a very long and documented history there, and under his leadership it went from purple to home of some of our most progressive politicians.
If he’s a biased neoliberal, he’s so incompetent that it doesn’t matter.
Either way, we need to push for as many people as possible to vote in the Dem primary. Because the more people vote in the primary, the further left the candidate is
Well said, we need to work with those who support us and cut out the bootlickers.
This is exactly it. I don’t think people understand how thick it is with the right trolling the left. Trolling is kind of an innocent word for it, because it has really shitty consequences.
If you’re skeptical, notice how when the right does something evil, outlandish and cruel, that there will be unnaturally quick upvoted comments going after the dems and blaming them. This isn’t a coincidence.
I generally agree, but part of the reason Schumer can’t whip votes is that he no longer controls the DNC.
He can’t direct DNC money towards the candidates that vote the way he wants, and he can’t direct money to their opponents to punish them when they break ranks.
I think this would be good for democracy, in the same way that anti-gerrymandering laws are good for democracy. … You know, except when.
Remember everyone. Moderate Democrats in USA are Center-Right in World Politics. They might as well be 2 sides of the same coin
If you are a voter who wants real change put in progressives, or indpendents that actually lean left in World politics
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*European politics NOT “world politics”.
Not everyone is following the same trends and left/right are relative to the society in question.
We must always be extremely careful spreading Eurocentric notions as being “the world’s view” as the history of that type of thinking is extremely ugly.
Apologies, anything you would suggest for better format of talking about it?
Yes, I would use the term “European politics”. If that makes you go “wait that sounds weird”, then don’t make that comparison.
Sorry but this is a huge pet peeve of mine. Too many people assert that what is true mostly fir Western Europe is the case for all nations and that’s silly at best.
I had not heard of this. Thanks for getting the word out
No problem!! Together we can do anything! Also read my post on political discussions community here on Lemmy. It’s an informative & morale boosting post
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Run For Something trains progressive candidates to run and win
Huh? They have though. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say
There is no hope left. The only cure for the corruption is to cut it out. Guillotines make for an excellent blade for excision.
Part of the reason there is no hope is comments like these.
You aren’t going to do that, so stop focusing on fictional power fantasies.
As opposed to what? Fantasies on voting ourselves into progress? Fantasies on believing some candidate is going to save us? We all voted for Bernie in 2016. We’re all voting against Trump. America is pissed. Where is our outrage supposed to be aimed at and what can we do?
As opposed to what? Fantasies on voting ourselves into progress?
These aren’t fantasies. They’re at least plausible.
Fantasies on believing some candidate is going to save us?
Beliefs that any one person can save you are part of the problem.
We all voted for Bernie in 2016.
Yeah, and you keep voting for progressive elements within the only party that is even possible to shift towards that element until you’ve taken them over. It takes a shit ton of time, is unfun, and wont get you anything near instant results, but its the cards you’re dealt. You deal with them or don’t.
We’re all voting against Trump. America is pissed. Where is our outrage supposed to be aimed at and what can we do?
Discouraging people from doing anything is the opposite of helpful though, and encouraging people is something you can do. That along with participating in more than just federal politics.
I still can’t get used to being quote replied. It’s weird. Feels like being dissected.
Anyways. History doesn’t show substantial victory in voting. Voting keeps a citizen government moving policies around slowly. Unfortunately our current system is anything but by the people It’s chaos, uncertain, and most definitely untenable to people. This is a government of blue corporates who want a president with decorum to make deals with the world, and red oligarchs who thrive on the chaos, privatization, and a rauntier economy. Unfortunately the past 10 years the oligarchs have won. No 4 year Biden presidency is going to fix what the country has become. Not a 2 term social democratic administration can fix this without absolutely dismantling what the country has become. And unfortunately that is going to be violent.
Aristotle wrote when the oligarchal system is created with the inequities we see now, the only two choices are tyranny or revolution.
Even in your comment you point out it won’t be fixed in one term as if that’s the expectation, but that’s what I’m talking about here. It was never going to be 1, 2 or even 3 terms. Its a long, slow process.
When people don’t see immediate rapid change and give up, instead waiting for it to get so bad, it gets even worse (fictional revolution thinking), this just makes the system as it is more entrenched. They’ll happily keep you at bay.
I’m trying to tell you there’s no slow process change out of this administration. Neither party cares for the people at large and neither will give up power without revolutionary thinking. Even if a Biden like presidency and administration runs for the next 12 years the American people will not be better off. And unfortunately the alternative that is needed for the people isn’t one that has a foot in the door to even start the slow process rolling. Look at Mamdani. The backlash is heavy and he hasn’t even started.
I’m trying to tell you there’s no slow process change out of this administration.
You better hope there is, because you certainly aren’t going to be participating in any fast “you first” ones.
There is a slim chance that people who spend more time ensuring democrats don’t get votes, bitching about them while complaining there is a solution, stopped doing that and democrats won in 2026 with sufficient margins to withstand all the bullshit levied at it.
This would of course involve things like prop 50 being in place (which passed), and thats all increasingly looking like hail mary too, all because yall wont accept anything except a perfect hail mary, which will never come.
Well said. One last point, the fucks in charge right now are just itching for violence and are scratching as hard as they can to open a wound.
Both can be true. Schumer can scheme and have no control. The Democratic Whip voted to end the shutdown. That should tell you everything.
Bingo. At this point I don’t care if he had a direct role in it or not, it’s still a total failure of leadership. The man has no ability to lead, just slogan (and really badly at that).
Why are any dems appearing on Fox “News”?
Why are any dems appearing on Fox “News”?
To reach their target audience.
That is, indeed, an excellent question.
I suppose it’s the only way vast swaths of the country will believe they exist.
Schumer has zero control over his party when even the party whip pledges to defect. But he apparently refused to vote for the Democratic candidate for NYC mayor, so this is entirely expected and precedented.
The Democrats need their version of Trump that promises to shake all of this bullshit up. Drain the swamp indeed. Different sides of the same coin, just one side has a bigger price tag and takes longer to threaten, coerce, and bribe. But make no mistake, we have ALL been abandoned and will need a complete reboot of this party to the point where we start to vocally primary our own reps. Shit, I might just have to run now and my vetting isn’t pretty but it’s better than what we have in place.
Many state and local seats in government run unopposed or have puppet candidates installed and funded by Republican donors, people who have no real capability to do politics and just rely on having a lot of money for posters, but would wither if debated about actual issues.
We just saw in New York you don’t need any of that shit, you just need be social and reassuring and have a message that you stick to and don’t let yourself get distracted.
My god so many candidates get distracted and ruin their own potential careers.
At best this is a massive gamble with the absolute last of the dregs of goodwill anyone left of center has for th democratic party. I’m predicting a lot of frustration -signalling throwing of hands in the air and performative filibusters in Shumer’s future, and not much else.
New York Democrats: primary this piece of shit and get him out of the Senate. I don’t care if his gamble pays off, he shouldn’t be gambling with the future of our country against convicted fraudsters.
WTF is the Democratic Party’s long term strategy?
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They should replace him with someone who has balls, like Melanie Stansbury.
The problem is we’ve heard that before, multiple times, for all the negative stunts he pulled, and yet he still sits on his Democratic throne…
Democrats need to do more than just get rid of Schumer…
Of course. Why else would it be dems not going for reelection. Just like republicans growing a spine and criticizing trump after they’ve resigned, the dems letting others vote for something unpopular and then resign so it’s “not the dem’s fault.”
they should all be kicked out of the party.
