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Most German citizens didn’t know about the mass killings till after the war, even most soldiers.
People being disappeared with no records being kept…
We can’t hide behind ignorance later if/when we find out people were executed. That’s the whole point of accountability, without the accountability we have to assume worst case scenario. Or else the worst case scenario will happen under the guise of incompetence and the false belief no one would do this.
Hey just so you know, it’s total bullshit that the german populace didnt know about the holocaust. Some of the civillians may not have known about the specific mechanics, but many were even aware of the gas chambers masquerading as showers, jews included.
People tried to hide behind ignorance after the fact, as I have no doubt they will try to do once this latest atrocity is done. I very much agree that simply being aware does not put us into any position different than the german population in WWII, we must strive to do better than their example.
I think how many German people knew how much of the truth back then isnt too important. Some people knew some things.
Im more concerned about the strive to do better you mentioned. What does that look like? Do we all need to start neighborhood militias?
I think no one can answer this definitively, but I’m willing to say no to militias, for various reasons (longer conversation).
What we have here is to some extent a privilege of urban density, but it’s more of a “watch” than a militia. In short, civil disobedience. People volunteer as eyes/ears and meat shields for their neighbors. I haven’t yet been detained but have accepted the possibility.
The reason it works better is another long conversation but, in short, it ensures every attack of the enemy costs them something, and sometimes quite a lot. The resulting war of attrition is winnable because each act of unwarranted aggression erodes legitimacy, boosts recruitment, and increases public resolve.
How much you are willing to risk is a personal choice.
Get to know your neighbors, get back in touch with friends and family that you know are sympathetic. Give your time and effort to groups in your area that are resisting, whether legally, physically, or however that looks to you.
Starting the French underground is a big lift, but the French underground did not spring fully formed out of nothing. You have to find ways you can help.
So they said. There’s a lot of counter-evidence to it:
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/education/e-learning/podcast/keeping-the-functioning-of-auschwitz-in-secrecy/
They kept meticulous records by using cutting-edge technology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
Amen to accountability. Using intent instead is pretty much a blank check for the privileged to oppress the average person with impunity.
They did…
But they kept it at the camps, or in secret memos only for high ranking party members.
Again, just because trump claims incompetence in the present when we ask where people are, doesn’t mean we have all the information.
trump says the Epstein list doesn’t exist too, and we haven’t seen it either…
But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Like, you’re assuming common people knew then what common people knew after. That’s a dangerous assumption when we’re living thru it
Think of how much shit comes out normally 5-10 years later. We still haven’t been hit by the really bad shit trump did his first term.
As bad as 2016-now looks, it’s an almost guaranteed that by 2045 we’re going to find out it was much worse.
Edit:
To clarify this was the (valid) justification for going after some teenage secretaries at the camps and random offices when they didn’t go after every single soldier.
Because someone had to type that shit up, a few low level people were the exception and weren’t ignorant.
That being said, if you’re a 16 year old girl some old Nazi made his secretary, you were probably going thru your own personal hell and couldn’t exactly snitch even if you wanted to.
But…
In the context of how widespread the knowledge of the camps was, it’s a relevant tidbit that backs up how few Germans really knew what was happening.
People new about the concentration camps, though, and must have seen there were many more people going in than they could hold. Dachau was maybe 10 miles from Munich, that’s walking distance. No way people didn’t know, whatever they claimed later.
A 10 miles walking distance??? Just send me to the camps.
Lol, you can walk ten miles in about 3 hours at a regular pace. Most reasonably fit people can, anyway. Not everyone has access to cars, and even less so in the '40s. 10 miles would be considered close on foot, much less by bicycle.
People knew they weren’t coming back from those trains.
They didn’t know exactly how they were going to die, but they knew they wern’t going to live on a farm somewhere. They just didn’t ask questions because that could get you on the next train.
People hid and smuggled and lied for their friends and in-laws. You don’t take that risk from ignorance.
They knew, ignorance in exchange for reason. Like those people who say that ice detention centers give you hot meals and free place to live
Nah man, people absolutely knew what was going on. The other comment pointed out it’s bullshit Germans were unaware of what was happening. They just didn’t do anything about it. Remind you of anything? And they kept meticulous records. Basically this entire comment is total bullshit.