This is not merely the escalation of political violence against the right’s out groups, it is the proliferation of a culture of right wing terrorism. They said it was civil war, and while that rhetoric has tempered due to the unsurprising discovery that the assassin was yet another right wing radical, they fully intend to escalate their civil war goals by robbing opponents of their means to survive in our capitalist hellscape of a country.
This is my advice, if you find someone who has had their livelihoods stolen from them for expressing relief at a slightly kinder world, share their employer. Share the website, the Yelp, flood them with emails and 1-star reviews letting them know that terrorism will not be tolerated.
The republicans said we are war. It may not be a war of bullets and bombs, at least not yet, but do not doubt them.
Boy howdy, are they ever. MAGA Conservatives in the U.S. have organized to doxx them: https://www.charliesmurderers.com/.
This is not a doxxing website. This website is a lawful data aggregator of publicly-available information. It has been created for the purposes of public education.
The lot of them seem keen on applying untoward pressure and harassment against their ideological opponents, casting their own tactics as terrorism when used by anyone left-of-center. Turns out that they aren’t so liable to apply the moniker of ‘snowflake’ to their own reactions.
The website is actually on Squarespace, which means we can report them for violating Squarespace’s Acceptable Use Guidelines! https://www.squarespace.com/acceptable-use-policy/
Report by emailing [email protected]
They also registered the domain through namecheap so can report to them as well based on their TOS agreement here: https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/rdap-tos/
Reported them. Takes a few minutes at most. Everyone do this. You can fight back without firing a weapon yet.
That domain needs more reports for abuse of tos.
I don’t even know why that site is still allowed to be up. Based on what I was reading yesterday, it seems to be violating laws…
This is why you keep your shit private. Do not friend your boss on any social. Do not friend your coworkers on any social that you might say some shit on.
This is one of the reasons the Dark Forest theory is a good way to approach the 'net. Not that I celebrate Kirk’s death anyway, but…still. Lots of vengeful little Reich wing Karens itching to cancel everyone they disagree with.
Everything is projection with the Reich wing. EVERYTHING. The only cancel culture is theirs, and they love the real political correctness, and really love policing that political correctness.
They’re just trying to honor his memory by cynically weaponizing tragedy. It’s what he’d have wanted.
Oh, will you all just start fighting already?
I’m going to get downvoted for this but we on the left get people fired too
No matter how you actually feel about Charlie Kirk’s death, no matter how deserving he was of these comments, posting them with your government name attached to it is a bad move
The problem is that the left gets people cancelled for hate speech. The right gets people cancelled for objective truth. Read the comments that people are getting fired for. It’s a blatant doouble standard that shifts the overton window on public discourse. Fascist bigots are running the country, and there’s no room for compromise with hate.
I completely agree with you on principle. My problem is that I don’t make “fuck you” money and whether we like it or not, seemingly half the country disagrees with our views. I can’t be starting fights and setting myself back over a YouTuber’s death.
Everyone doing this sort of thing is sure that he’s the one speaking objective truth while his enemies are evil and destroying the country. The sight of so many people on the other side equally sure that they’re actually the ones speaking the objective truth ought to cause some self-doubt but it seldom does.
There really are people out there who are evil and people who are destroying the country (not necessarily the same people) but we either have rules for everyone or rules for no one. “Rules for them but not for me, since I’m speaking objective truth” is, in effect, rules for no one.
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I’m not saying that people shouldn’t look for objective truth, but rather that the behavior of someone who thinks he’s probably right and the behavior of someone who thinks he’s definitely right are going to be quite different, and that we would all (probably) be better off if cultural norms favored the former sort of behavior rather than the latter.
Norms according to which it is ok for one side to attack the other in some way but it is not ok for the other side to respond in the same way (because the first side considers itself objectively correct) only work when the balance of power between the two sides is so uneven that it would often be called oppression. The desire to oppress others is a part of the human condition that everyone ought to be alert for in themselves - being on the left does not mean being immune. However, even those on the left who are in no mood for tolerance currently don’t have the power to win the fight their way - if tolerance doesn’t win then the right will win.
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I should clarify what I mean by tolerance. I’m talking about the ability to co-exist peacefully even with the people that one hates. If this sort of tolerance breaks down, then the left is at a large disadvantage in the conflict that would follow - the right is generally more unified, better at violence, and in control of the federal government.
Bull, and I cannot stress this enough, crap. Conservative ideology eschews objective truth in favor of beneficial positions every fucking time.
I cannot remember a single incident where the left ran a coordinated campaign to achieve mass doxings or firings of rightists. Not even those advocating for violence against minorities, which is a rampant, long-running problem. Maybe it’s because “the left” is not the monolith of violence, terror, and oppression that the Republican party and their international proxies are, but nevertheless this is a false equivalence, even if you did not intend for it to be.
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Government agents should always be clearly identified. Face, name, badge number, etc.
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Let me get this straight, you want the gestapo to be able to continue their completely racist nazi extermination protocol, without being able to be identified as the fucking filth that they are?
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I guess maybe the part where you think identifying nazi filth is a bad thing.
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That may be true but it is important to show colors. Not just so the fascist know that there is still resistance, but also that your allies know that they are not alone.
I agree with you in principle. I just think, for the majority of people, it’s not worth the risk of getting fired and getting set back in life for public comments over a YouTuber’s death. I’m not saying there are no hills to die on, this just doesn’t seem like the one.
I said this in a reply to someone else but my issue here is risk assessment, not whether the comments are abhorrent or not. I’ve read enough accounts regarding different periods of history where citizens turned each other in. If I’m going to get fired, doxxed, turned in, etc., I would want it to be over something that means more than opinions shared of Charlie Kirk.
My point is that if something little like this will get you that punishment it is time to stand up.
I know it is scary and that people still have to much left to loose and that talk is cheap, but if you are already that scared of the consequences of something benign like this… Well you are already neck deep in shit.
How long do you want to wait?
You try to wait for a moment that feels right or not that scary, this moment will never come. It will get worse not better because people are still to focused on keeping their own asses out of the rain so the fascist have free reign.
Speaking out will cost you your job now. In due time it will cost your life.
So…Kirk was platformed specifically FOR his hate speech, but anyone not exactly sad about his death should be cancelled? Just trying to make sure I understand. The people being cancelled by the right wing doxxers are not calling for political violence, they are just dancing on the grave of someone who DID call for political violence. Doesn’t seem like we are talking apples and apples here.
As for saying stuff attached to your name - I get the Dark Forest theory; I practice it myself. No way in fucking hell I’m saying anything even mildly controversial in a public platform so that overly-emotional right wing children can give me any my family members death threats (any more[1]). Not that I say anything I think is even remotely controversial by a reasonable person, anyway.
It’s not that I’m the least bit afraid of any of these RW keyboard warriors if they’d fight fair, man on man, but I know they won’t. They would likely do a drive-by type thing and/or target my family members. Or try to get me fired for disagreeing with Nazis online…
[1] I learned my lesson long, long ago - I used to use my real name most everywhere. Got into some arguments with radicalized right wingers, and they tried to get me fired from my job. Thankfully the owner of the company at the time had my back and told them to get bent. I’ve had incidents of them posting/DMing/emailing my address and some of my family name members making not-so-veiled threats.
…should be cancelled?
No. I intended my comment to be more of a statement on risk assessment. Seemingly half the country is on the right. A non-insignificant portion of them would probably be empathetic to Charlie Kirk’s death.
If I’m reading the rest of your comment correctly, I’d say we are in agreement. I don’t condone the right getting people fired over this, I don’t think it’s fair, and I don’t think it’s right of them to do so. But I do think the right trying to get people fired was foreseeable and it surprises me just how many people have attached their names to their comments, especially if they aren’t set up financially to deal with any potential fallout.
