Tulsi Gabbard left no doubt when she testified to Congress about Iran’s nuclear program earlier this year.
The country was not building a nuclear weapon, the national intelligence director told lawmakers, and its supreme leader had not reauthorized the dormant program even though it had enriched uranium to higher levels.
But Donald Trump dismissed the assessment of U.S. spy agencies during an overnight flight back to Washington as he cut short his trip to the Group of Seven summit to focus on the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran.
“I don’t care what she said,” Trump told reporters. In his view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.
The truth doesn’t really matter. Israel will get their war, and the US will lumber into it behind them.
What’s crazy to me is apparently the US has become so polarized, so used to division that pointing out Israel is acting like bloodthirsty psychos is somehow supporting Iran, or Hamas before that. It’s like their whole culture has evaporated any nuance at all. Only diametrically opposed good and evil battling forever. Professional wrestling stories with Heels and Faces divided by clear black lines.
God vs Satan doesn’t leave room for nuance.
Quick, dust off the “weapons of mass destruction” propaganda.
Came here to say the exact same thing.
It doesn’t matter if it is true or not (not just this topic) but if you repeat the lie enough and gaslight the public it becomes true, and if it doesn’t so what, what are you going to do about it.
NOTHING that is what they are counting on.
Keep up the protests, the No Kings protest was huge even if MSM is downplaying it.
That’s fine. Iraq didn’t have WMDs either. They just need a lie to sell it to the public.
What’s the context for this photo?
Colin Powell lies to congress about “facts” and “evidence” of WMDs in Iraq that led to a 20 year war
The UN. This picture was when he lied to the UN about WMDs in Iraq.
My bad, he lied so much it’s hard to keep it straight
In [Trump’s] view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.
Those are clearly Netanyahu’s words in his mouth. Netanyahu has been loudly and confidently saying that at regular intervals since 2012. Iran is always weeks away.
At the same time Isreal is like the only country that probably has nukes yet refuses to acknowledge it.
They’re pretty open about it
You mean 2002?
Are we now choosing to believe what Tulsi says because it fits the narrative?
The alternative is believing Israel’s government…
And they’re an openly genocidal far right government made up of violent religious extremists…
Like, America is bad right now
But Israel has been on some straight up Nazi shit for a while now, because both Biden and Trump let Israel do whatever
Saying Iran isn’t building nukes is the most pushback Israel has gotten since Obama was in office
Donald Trump is doing nazi shit all the same
He’s doing horrible shit…
But he hasn’t been actively committing a genocide like Israel has.
If you think trump is doing as bad of shit as Israel. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
He’s neck deep in supporting Israels Genocide, I would call that “actively committing”
Notice how I have made zero comparison to Israel I’m just commenting on Trump.
The alternative is believing Israel’s government…
That’s what you replied too…
If I now said:
Everclear is the best 90s rock band
Does that mean that’s the only topic you’re allowed to respond to now? If you mentioned Nirvana could I tell you I never mentioned them so the band is verboten?
Maybe I’m just having a bad morning, but this shit is getting ridiculous
It’s definitely not you. This shit happened (and is still happening) on Reddit all the time, it’s like there will always be a sizeable population that doesn’t understand the concept of context and how replies to a thread are never standalone but always within the ongoing context of the thread. If they want to make a standalone comment, make a separate comment thread. But somehow that’s too advanced of a concept for them to grasp.
To be fair I was having a bad morning…
But I felt like the lady from the Thunder gun focus group multiple times today, not just there.
I made a comment about Trump doing bad shit. I didn’t mention ANYTHING about Israel. People on lemmy really like to just put words in others mouths and get all offended over it. It’s fucking annoying.
But Israel has been on some straight up Nazi shit for a while now, because both Biden and Trump let Israel do whatever
That’s what I am responding to.
This alternative is to believe the assessment that nuclear regulators made that they were stockpiling 60% enriched uranium and installing new centrifuges that could further enrich to weapons grade even faster. AFAIK there is no other plausible explanation for doing this, nuclear reactors only need 5% enrichment or so:
https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pdf
It’s also not a great look Iran immediately talks about testing a nuke a day after the attack. Despite that obviously being a lie, it at least makes it clear they don’t seem to be trying very hard to hide it.
I’m sure Netanyahu has all kinds of nefarious reasons for doing this and with this timing, but this pretense at least seems pretty solid unlike Gaza and I’m sure there is genuine concern throughout their citizenry over how Iran would use them against them.
To be frank, if I was them, I would do everything to get a nuke before the crazies in Israel and the USA decide to wipe out Iran. So Iran trying to get it makes perfect sense.
I’m sure they see it that way as well. And so here we are.
So what? Just because she pushed back she’s now trustworthy? For fucks sake, screw your head on straight.
Also why are you even intent on defending Iran, an openly genocidal far right government made up of religious extremists? There’s no good guys in this fight.
You don’t have to trust her.
But if she says the sun will come up tomorrow, it doesn’t mean we need to plan to live the rest of our days in fucking darkness man…
Like. You understand that right? Someone can be a habitual liar, but that doesn’t mean the opposite of everything they say is true.
I understand that, but it seems habitual liars are not lying only when it fits the narrative.
There’s plenty of evidence that points to Iran building a nuke. They are not the good guys, so excuse me for being unconcerned about their literal dictatorship getting blown to hell.
There’s plenty of evidence that points to Iran building a nuke.
By all means share it with the class…
Because Israel’s government isn’t. And neither is any other government.
So I’m sure lots of people would absolutely love to see your proof
Otherwise, it’s more likely Israel is lying because they’ve been saying Iran is a few years away from having nukes for literal decades. It means as much as Elmo saying Tesla will have auto omous driving in a few years
Someone else did it, see above.
Christ’s sake…
This is the fediverse, you can’t assume everyone sees the same comments when everyone’s on different instances. And that’s not even getting into how people block other accounts.
This is like pulling fucking teeth. So speaking of block lists…
They are not the good guys
Please stop getting your politics from marvel movies
We have done this dance before last time it cost me my 20s my sanity and most importantly a huge amount for friends I loved like brothers who died before and are still killing then selfs…
So we are gonna do the Iraq WMD lie again huh?
I still have people telling me it wasn’t Bush’s fault, the intelligence was bad
Of course there are ZERO valid reasons to go to war in the ME.
People still believe Iraq had WMDs to this day.
Trump has always shown us he doesn’t need intelligence.
I wouldn’t tryst Gabbard on this either since she’s very likely a Russian agent and Iran is a partner to their war efforts.
Reported as “misinformation” by someone blissfully unaware of Gabbard’s history:
On the bright side, though, if Russia is actively covering for Iran and Trump is aligning against that, then Putin might finally decide Trump has outlived his usefulness as an asset and send Trump some of his special tea…
Russia only cared slightly, Trump blocked Russian sanctions already passed by Congress and stepped in to stop Ukrainian attacks on Russian oil and Russia will not burn such an asset for a minor partner catching this kind of heat (or any partner, since they “don’t have the cards” as Trump would say if he wasn’t a complete pushover for Putin)
Not only is trump ignoring this, but lots and lots of shitlibs on this site are also.
The moron just wants the war to hide his shenaningans at home. Sole reason. Everyone should know by now that he automatically denies any and every thing that runs contrary to his own personal narrative.
We have irrefutable proof, that we can’t show you, that Iran is stoning babies in the incubators with yellow cake.
Pretty consistently it’s been reported that Iran has been increasing its capabilities to quickly create a nuclear weapon should they need to, rather than simply embarking immediately on constructing nukes.
And honestly, at this point, they’d be stupid not to, since the main negotiator (the US) of their opposing coalition has proven to be utterly unwilling to maintain any agreements regarding denuclearization for more than 4 years at a time.
at this point a Nuke in Iranian hands would probably calm the region down
A few, maybe. One just means you have to use it or lose it, I think. One is very different from several.
yeeeah… shrug, Trump ignores them all. And why shouldn’t he? They didn’t prevent him from happening, what’s the point of the CIA, NSA etc when they either knew about him & putin, and let hit happen, or, they didn’t know, even though it’s been obvious since the 80s?
Nice job Intel community, you shot us all in the face.
So we oppose US intelligence agencies overthrowing democratically elected leaders in other countries but not their own?
if your own intelligence organs don’t warn your gov that there’s a foreign power influencing the election, yeah, I think that group isn’t doing their fucking job.
him & putin
obvious since the 80s
I can see a major problem with that timeline, but I suppose wild conspiracy theories don’t have to make sense
The more he dismiss America’s intelligence agencies, the more i believe them.
