I’m pretty far left of Harris ideologically and never really liked her or thought she was worthy of these powerful offices. I also never really expected that much from her. That being said, I was passionate about dropping Biden and supporting her campaign even at that late hour, given the immense implications of electing trump for a second term. I donated money, and rallied friends and family to get on board. Then she did that DNC speech and talked about the ‘strongest military’ yadda yadda yadda. All of that energy and enthusiasm instantly evaporated. Nothing she or her campaign did after that motivated any active support from me and I had to really fight off the urge to not vote for her. I’m entirely done with the Democratic Party as run by the current regime. Unless that party reforms, the US is absolute toast.
Billionaires chose Trump, so Trump won. That’s how US politics works
i hate the dnc but my perspective is mostly dont vote for the fascist
That disqualifies democrats as well.
Yeah, but Trump does the same. Kamala had better taxes planned for the working class and the poor. Trump also has a very poor track record. You can blame Kamala for not doing it right, but imo the issue is mass disinformation and people being extremily dumb.
I never felt Harris actually stood for anything. This is easily the first election where I felt all the decisions made by the DNC were hard wrong - and I already thought the DNC fucked everything up when the turned on Sanders - but this time they really chose every bad option they could. A senior citizen that was absolutely having problems (outside the debate performance) and choosing an inclusivity* candidate that really had a checkered past of making climbing the ladder a priority while having no real policy gains or stances. Even in the lead up to everything, the other candidates were all but brushed aside. No real debate over policy or where the country was going.
She said whatever middle of the road thing needed to be said to appeal to enough people while leveling mealy criticism at best for the real problems, from Israel’s shitty war to attacks worker’s right in the US. We went from a candidate that should have never run again to a candidate that hadn’t given anyone a reason to want her to run at all at the last minute. And that’s awful, especially to lose against trump.
- I hate to even say it, but the fact is that the DNC wanted to run a black female. They banked on the (I can’t think of the word/name for it - people who want to do things for a minority community, but do so cluelessly, remove agency of the group, disregard the actual needs and culture of the group. Usually modestly wealthy white people making “programs” for minority communities) people to vote for the feel-good of voting a minority person up while not actually thinking that people would have needs and policy concerns that would influence their vote, or their willingness to vote at all. The DNC already had “protect the rich white people” as a top priority. They didn’t think people were smart enough to sense that, and everyone really had a feeling that the Democrats didn’t care about them anymore.
Edit: found it. It’s “white saviorism” or “white savior complex.”
Yeah. I don’t know if there’s a term for it, but the Alt-Right Book describes it too: https://youtu.be/wCl33v5969M
That’s an interesting video, and I don’t think it defines exactly what I was trying to say, but it absolutely is tangential to it.
I want to say White Paternalism, where white people think they know what is best for minority groups, but that name often has an association with racism.
Edit: found it: “white saviorism”
Ah, saviorism. Yeah that’s definitely what you’re describing.
I guess what the video is describing is yeah tangential and/or like a superset. Groups high on the power structure use those who’re lower as proxies for their vying for power/resources/etc.
Yes, the video definitely suggests groups can be used as pawns and virtue signaling for those trying to “help” or use the appearance of it to further an agenda.
She tried to dance to the middle when Trump had a stranglehold on his cult of voters. Really stupid.
The middle? She was cavorting with Liz Cheney!
Oh I fully agree, I almost didn’t vote for her, she sucked ALL the hope out of her campaign, she had SO MUCH MOMENTUM, all she had to do was keep constantly showing up on the press to point out how incompetent Trump was and clearly appear competent. All she had to do was keep putting out positive messages about protecting rights and returning the country to normal and not insane racist hate land and it would have been a slam dunk. Coming up with ‘‘well… I am totally willing to meet genocide in the middle, if that’s important to you’’ was an insane gut punch.
Voters don’t get to decide where the middle is.
I’m pretty tired of people nagging voters to follow the rules the framing they set forth. Trolley problem, “voters dont get to decide where the middle is”, etc.
We do have other options, but I don’t think they are realistic. Mass obstructive protests will probably push the DNC closer to the right (granted I could be wrong about this, but we are talking about a very out of touch and clueless institution of what amounts to be another ruling class) or violence which I do not think anyone in the country is truly ready for despite what everyone says.
Why should we be agonizing about what they will do instead of making them ask what we will do? We’ve turned the power dynamic around. What we need to band together and let them know that we wont vote for any of them if they continue with the sellout shenanigans on many fronts. No more deals. No more assumption that the dem brand means they are on our side.
And we cant just play chicken with them, we have to mean it. If they dont come to us and earn your vote, then dont settle for whatever 99% republican drivel they try to serve us. This isnt a negotiation with the rich, its us deciding if the dems will even exist anymore as a party.
No more “vote blue no matter who”. They just use that to ream us. That “D” needs to mean what we make it mean, not what they tell us they want it to mean. Thats exactly how we ended up supporting some theocracy’s dirty war crimes.
From now on I dont give the dems my vote by default. They earn it, and if I dont know their policies, I wont assume they are good.
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DNC is an enemy of the people.
Sure, they might not be starting concentration camps and sieg heiling. but the actions they have taken have directly enabled the ones who are goose stepping down Pennsylvania avenue.
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DNC has repeatedly refused to listen to the demands on their voters, too, and actively sabotaged candidates the people want to try and force HRC and Harris down our throats… to a massive collective tanking that had nothing to do with their gender, and opening the door to the usurpation of America to foreign powers and money.
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Yes, the Democratic Party is more subtle in regard to their support for oligarchs and corruption. With exception to Senator Sanders, the old coots should fucking retire. The election loss proved the AmeriKans are sucking down the Orange Kool-Aid and want the US Constitution to burn.
First time I don’t 100% agree with him. I partially agree with Bernie here. Had Harris stuck with a more progressive ticket, she’d have stood a better chance; however, that doesn’t explain the millions and millions of Americans that voted for a convicted criminal, rapist, kleptocrat, that claims to be for Jesus.
that doesn’t explain the millions and millions of Americans that voted for a convicted criminal, rapist, kleptocrat, that claims to be for Jesus.
Hate is a POWERFUL narcotic.
Trump is a collective tantrum by aggrieved people.
I wish I could believe that.
I mean, don’t get me wrong - it would’ve been a better route to take in any case, whether it delivered the campaign from defeat or not.
But I have no faith in my fellow Americans to choose politicians or policies that represent their best interests.
Riddle me this
How does Kamala and Biden policies represent(ed) the best interest of the half of the population that they and their voters keep calling to be murdered and put in camps for being the privileged, bigoted, homophobic, sexist, racist, slave owners, Nazis, transphobic, emotionless, non empathic, oppressive source of all evil in the world?
Literally any negative adjective you can think of, any negative association, any way to dismiss, disparage or erode away any respect or appreciation they might have has been used and constantly and consistently applied to this half of the voters through the years, demonizing them to make them the imaginary enemies the Dems needed to rally against during their mandate and then again on the election cycles.
People who, might I remind you, have literally never had a (insert negative adjective here ) thought in their life, none of these supposed privileges, and are playing in a categorically non leveled field during their whole life.
Now the Dems are spending millions doing meetings in luxury hotels to see how they can analyze social media usage of patterns and speech to “connect” with that half of the population
Basically the same as they tried at the end of their campaign
You have no faith in America?
For these half of the population, that’s basically all you need to win them
You want to know who benefits from the Dems policies? Look at the majority on power in their structures, who runs their committees, who is the main beneficiary of the DEI programs and the majority of the complainers:
Middle age white women with a god complex.
The Karentocracy is and has been eating the democrats away and you guys know it and are doing squat to avoid it
Now tell me this is not the case and has absolutely not been happening and keep blaming Kamala’s defeat and betrayal on the Americans and how racist and sexist they are
Riddle me this
How does Kamala and Biden policies represent(ed) the best interest of the half of the population that they and their voters keep calling to be murdered and put in camps for being the privileged, bigoted, homophobic, sexist, racist, slave owners, Nazis, transphobic, emotionless, non empathic, oppressive source of all evil in the world?
Literally any negative adjective you can think of, any negative association, any way to dismiss, disparage or erode away any respect or appreciation they might have has been used and constantly and consistently applied to this half of the voters through the years, demonizing them to make them the imaginary enemies the Dems needed to rally against during their mandate and then again on the election cycles.
People who, might I remind you, have literally never had a (insert negative adjective here ) thought in their life, none of these supposed privileges, and are playing in a categorically non leveled field during their whole life.
Now the Dems are spending millions doing meetings in luxury hotels to see how they can analyze social media usage of patterns and speech to “connect” with that half of the population
Basically the same as they tried at the end of their campaign
You have no faith in America?
For these half of the population, that’s basically all you need to win them
You want to know who benefits from the Dems policies? Look at the majority on power in their structures, who runs their committees, who is the main beneficiary of the DEI programs and the majority of the complainers:
Middle age white women with a god complex.
The Karentocracy is and has been eating the democrats away and you guys know it and are doing squat to avoid it
Now tell me this is not the case and has absolutely not been happening and keep blaming Kamala’s defeat and betrayal on the Americans and how racist and sexist they are
Lord.
Such arguments, much wow.
Applause all around
How’s Kamala’s victory working out for you btw
Yeah. The DNC either don’t realise, or refuse to realise, that electing Trump is not in approval of him, but expression of disapproval of the Democratic Party.
I don’t dislike Kamala, and Trump is a sociopath. I realize Joe Biden probably had cancer before he dropped out and that’s why he dropped out. But I have to also say that voters probably didn’t like the bait and switch approach where they suddenly felt they had to support her simply because she appeared as the candidate in the last legs of the campaign. I think diversity and female leadership is important, but probably asking undecided voters to go for a POC woman when that’s not who they started out supporting probably didn’t help. Old white centrists don’t like that, and she didn’t have time to build a campaign and show her skills like Obama did. Probably a good chunk of people straddling the line vote wise didn’t love that. We had this happen in Canada recently with our new prime minister Carney, but he’s an older white centrist dude, and we were clearly ok to hold our noses and do it to keep out the conservatives, but I think if it was someone like Kamala they might not have won.
Biden didn’t drop out because of his cancer. He dropped out because that disastrous debate made it impossible for him to win. If he had really wanted to drop for his health, he would have done it at least the year before to give time for a primary.
Even without the debate, Bidens poll numbers for years before the debate made it impossible for him to win. No candidate has ever come from that far behind and won. When Roe went down on his watch his numbers cratered and never recovered. The DNC knew this but they wanted their AIPAC war to continue uninterrupted, or else give the chair to trump, who was their desired pick anyway. So they bought that outcome.
Kamala Harris just chooses whatever she thinks will further her career. She chose poorly. She’s just lucky the party was stupid enough to have elevated her to vice president even after her debate performance was so bad that she dropped out before the 2020 presidential race even started. Then the idiotic party elevated her again after Biden (another opportunist piece of garbage who was elevated by the party) was forced to step down after his embarrassing 2024 debate performance was obvious to even deluded party insiders.
If she wasn’t going to be participating in a genocide, then she maybe could have won
