afaik it was originally about freedom from oppression. as with so many things, it has been hijacked by bigots and they’ve twisted it to now mean their freedom to oppress others.

• Mitch Hedberg
• Wanda Sykes

corporate koolaid frequently masquerades as ‘knowledge’, and is parroted rather than built up from first principles.

compared to reddit, an average lemmy user would tend more towards the latter than the former.

be on the lookout for the cognitive dissonance which can precede the realisation you’ve been parroting corporate propaganda. it’s ok, it happens to all of us, but the sooner we realise the better for everyone.

honestly surprised to see so many downvotes.

I’ve been trying to compact my writing lately, and perhaps failed to communicate clearly. because i really felt like i’d already pre-agreed with everything you wrote when i said

society currently seems to project an emotionally stunted image onto the male identity. but it’s important to note this is a sickness in current society rather than anything inherently “male”.

obviously i didn’t communicate properly, because imo that’s in perfect agreement with what you said here

how we’re socialised to handle our feelings also plays a big role

this is what i meant about society projecting an ‘incomplete’ image onto the male identity. i want to stress here, this isn’t a statement about any man, or even men as a group. imo it has nothing to do with “maleness” and everything to do with an impossibly hamstrung identity being thrust onto people. by impossible i mean it’s literally impossible for any human to exist as an emotional shadow like that. no human can do it & we’re expecting 50% of the population to magically achieve it. whatcouldgowrong.jpg

i’ve spent quite some time trying to work out exactly where it comes from, i’m still not sure but i feel like a big dose of victorian era repression sure didn’t help, plus perhaps alot of unprocessed trauma from the men who went to WW1 and experienced an entirely unprecedented form of PTSD en masse (what at the time was called shellshock) those men who came home brought it into their families and became our fathers fathers fathers etc etc. it’s definitely intergenerational imo.

i also think as society progresses technologically, there is less need for ‘male brute force’ to ‘provide’, so it will naturally create a bit of a vacuum in the perceived “male role”. i can easily imagine an alternate history where something positive and strong had filled this vacuum instead of the poisoned version we got.

i personally deeply do not believe it is something inherent in men, and i think this is supported by the stats you raise which shows a disparity in the distribution vs world average.

rather i very much see this as a deep flaw in our current society, men are emotionally hamstrung and have dangerously impossible emotional expectations placed on them (again, this isn’t the fault of any one gender or group, it is society at large to blame here). (and of course equally insane but different expectations are thrust onto all genders)

a huge part of the problem imo is when boys are taught not to cry - actually wait, it’s even worse, they’re taught “boys don’t cry”, this is an unbelievable absurdity. crying is natural, normal & healthy. not only denying boys & men this natural emotional outlet, but tangling it up with the idea that “boys don’t do it” therefore if one does, some part of their supposed identity is under threat. it’s quite simply unbelievably toxic, it’s literally poison. and. it. hurts. everyone.

but that’s fundamentally why i think calling it ‘The male loneliness epidemic’ is hurtful to everyone. alongside all the usual ragebait hooks, there’s the sleight of hand of reducing a monumental issue to a fragment of the actual scale of the problem.

Short Answer

imo the rise of loneliness effects both women & men about equally in terms of scope.

the push to strongly gender the ‘epidemic’ one way or the other is classic ragebait.

Longer Answer

Yes society currently seems to project an emotionally stunted image onto the male identity. but it’s important to note this is a sickness in current society rather than anything inherently “male”.

and it’s causing alot more suffering for all genders than just ‘loneliness’. calling it The male loneliness epidemic is just loaded with so many hooks, it’s just classic bait.

men vs women is “powerful” for ragebait because it’s literally half the population vs the other half.

no problem solving in bed when you should be resting. if something pops up, identify it & make a note (mental or otherwise) to address it at a later time.

i feel like this is a good place to mention the ship shipping ships https://www.superyachtshipping.com/

where/how/what are you eating copper which permits you to taste it?

no, they steal everything.

why do we keep letting them steal

‘free speech’ has always been about the freedom of the oppressed to fight upwards against their oppressor with language - but now they stole it & trying to make it mean their freedom to oppress minorities.

same for ‘woke’ - it used to mean basic human decency, once again they stole it & warped it’s meaning by pretending they’re the victims and it’s preventing their freedom (ie. their freedom to be a bigot).

same for ‘political correctness’, which was originally a criticism of using fake concern over moral issues for political agenda (sounds familiar), now warped beyond use.

swastika - used for THOUSANDS of years before the fucking nazis came along & stole it. now the cultures it actually belongs to get hate for practicing their ancient beliefs.

pepe and many others are a long list of things they steal and ruin.

why do we keep letting them steal?

avacado

not defending all op’s claims, but…

other cryptids

some cryptids are real. for example in the past 40 years, giant squid have quite literally moved from the pages of ‘fun’ ghosts and cryptid books into scientific journals. and this process has repeated many times throughout history.

everyone in here gleefully shitting on op (in a rather unfriendly fashion btw)

getting hung up on the 1:99 thing, when what they actually said was

As long as the percentage is not 100%

obviously i’m not saying op has presented firm evidence of the supernatural. but the irony of supposedly espousing the scientific method, while completely ignoring the critical part of op’s argument.

who here is claiming to know 100.000000% of all supernatural evidence is absolutely disproven? that would be an unscientific claim to make, so why infer it?

is the remaining 10^-x % “proof” of ghosts/aliens? imo no, but it isn’t unreasonable to consider it may suggest something beyond our current reproducible measurement capacity (which has eg. historically been filed under “ghosts”). therefore the ridicule in this thread - rather than friendly/educational discussion - is quite disappointing.

it’s not exactly reasonable to assume we’re at the apex of human sensory capability, history is full of this kind of misplaced hubris.

until the invention of the microscope, germs were just “vibes” and “spirits”

imo

Main Points

1. most people (including most men) do not actually give a fuck.

2. a tiny insignificant group mumbling in a dark corner probably do care, but noone should give a shit or listen to them.

3. instead their voice is amplified in social/legacy media as a typical divide and conquer tactic (men vs women is ‘powerful’ as its half the planet vs the other half).

4. unoriginal drones parrot those amplifications because they’ll get angry about whatever their screens tell them to this week.

5. society has leaned male-dominant for too long, so genuine efforts to be fair are perceived by some idiots (see #2,#4) as “unfair”.

6. corporations don’t actually give a shit about equality, so their maliciously half-arsed pretense at fairness rings hollow, adding more fuel to the flames.

Bonus

If you want to know more about this problem in general, see the Bechdel test, once you see it, you can’t unsee it everywhere you go:

The test asks whether a work features at least two female characters who have a conversation about something other than a man.

This is probably the pinnacle of what the modern documentary format should be.

Cannot recommend it enough.

fpr MP games the server code ¹ should be released to the community when finally taking the servers offline

¹ (or at least binaries with minimum standards for support/documentation)

obviously this is all just my opinion, but it seems evident to me:

the oligarchs.

they’ve realised their best shot at power is by dividing us cos there’s no way this shit would fly otherwise. that’s why they’ve been flooding us with every single possible topic of division, black vs white, straight vs lgbqt, even lgb vs trans (!!!), young vs old, boomers vs millenials. city vs rural.

all of that said, if you just don’t think you can stomach the wedding event then you’re nta imo.

the current pantomime is clearly designed to divide us and it’s working quite well.

you wouldn’t be an arsehole, but divide and conquer is exactly what they want

I wonder if the context of ‘tech person’ vs average person is what they meant?

A genx tech person in their field is going to be on avg further along than millenial in the same field - because they’ve literally been doing it longer, more experience, learnt more, exposed to more fundamentals.

imo the distinction is the average (non-tech) genx probably will have less tech exposure than avg millenial, millenials were coming up during the shift of the average person thinking “computers are for geeks” to “tech is cool”.

disclaimer: generation names are kind of arbitrary divide and conquer bs anyway.

Here’s why knowing the above i still donate to wikipedia.

Because we don’t want them to be in a position where they take money with strings attached. Imo its good for them to be reminded they serve the public first and foremost.