I think I’d rather she stay. We all wish there were an alternative, but historically third parties have not done well. Easier to get her in as the head of the thing and clean it up that way.
If we could pass Ranked Choice voting, those third and more parties could actually do something. In neighboring Idaho, there were signs trying to prevent RCV on the grounds that it was “confusing”. Propaganda gonna propaganda.
Sadly, that’s not going to happen any time soon. In fact, the Republicans are even now working on passing new legislation that will ban RCV in elections for federal office. Who’s going to stop them. There are maybe half a dozen people in all of Congress that would support RCV. This bill is almost certain to be passed.
Alaska and Maine have managed to get it so I think there’s still hope on that front so long as we continue to have free and fair elections…and that law doesn’t pass/is struck down.
Most Dems and independents would support RCV because it increases their chances of continued power.
There has been a lot of disinformation out there about RCV so you can’t even count on support from those who would benefit if they fall for the propaganda. It is definitely an uphill battle.
Remember that half of Americans are dumb enough to vote for Trump. A lot of the other half are also just voting for their favorite letter, without any thought of who’s holding it. Even with RCV, there’s an enormous amount of work to convince people who’ve been voting for their favorite letter for decades, who’ve been told for decades that politicians are all the same, to even pay enough attention to realize there’s another option.
RCV would be a start, but the start of a similarly decades-long process. IMO, it would be easier and faster to reform Dems from within. Recruit properly progressive candidates to primary the tired, old corporate Dems, inspire some of our younger non-voters, and change the party direction. Still take a few election cycles, but you’d keep the people who just vote for their favorite letter.
How does that help anyone? That would just be performative
The Democratic party is right there, and it stands for nothing. It has all the infrastructure set up already. So let’s take it.
Let’s tea party the Democratic party and force them left, kicking and screaming. Let’s build a large enough faction of actual progressives and leftists that Democrats are forced to come to the table. We flip red seats and take vacant ones. Then we primary incumbent Democrats who don’t get with the game plan
That’s what the whole fighting oligarchy tour is about
America has FPTP—she loses any practical chance of influence if she does that. Unless you vote for one of the main two parties, you create the same outcome as if you voted for the party you like least.
The better bet is to push her up to the top of the party and drag it kicking and screaming leftward. Then frankly, start pushing for voting reform to fix this problem
So do what AOC did and get involved in changing it then? It’s certainly more left with her in it than not—imagine if half the party was made up with people with more left wing views. I do not understand why so many of you guys are so inert on this.
The alternative is revolution, and given that involves personal sacrifice in the most hyper-individualist country on the planet, you’re going to have an uphill struggle with getting enough people together to even make the news.
One option is a practical thing you can actually do, without having to wait for anyone else, to start on a path of improving things to align with your views. The other is basically waiting and hoping things eventually get so bad it short-circuits the capitalist propaganda that’s been shoved down every American’s throat since they could breathe. Then that you can get enough people together for a violent revolution at all, let alone enough for one to be successful.
Frankly, if you’re waiting anyway, you may as well get involved in the thing you can do today. Even if at the very least just to get voting reform done—then you can at least vote for a third party and benefit from that vote, could even be a vanguard party!
agreed, the Dems are beyond redemption. Hard to stomach all the replies here, implication being that after enduring 4 more years of Trump we’re faced with another neoliberal smiley gladhand who will say some of the right things but work only to maintain the status quo and corporate hegemony. But alas, we can’t have meaningful change until people come around to the reality of what the Dems and Repugs have been doing since the 1970s.
Wake up you fucking jackasses, Dems are not going to save you.
all she needs now to be taken seriously is to leave the sold-out Democrat party
I think I’d rather she stay. We all wish there were an alternative, but historically third parties have not done well. Easier to get her in as the head of the thing and clean it up that way.
If we could pass Ranked Choice voting, those third and more parties could actually do something. In neighboring Idaho, there were signs trying to prevent RCV on the grounds that it was “confusing”. Propaganda gonna propaganda.
Sadly, that’s not going to happen any time soon. In fact, the Republicans are even now working on passing new legislation that will ban RCV in elections for federal office. Who’s going to stop them. There are maybe half a dozen people in all of Congress that would support RCV. This bill is almost certain to be passed.
Alaska and Maine have managed to get it so I think there’s still hope on that front so long as we continue to have free and fair elections…and that law doesn’t pass/is struck down.
Most Dems and independents would support RCV because it increases their chances of continued power.
There has been a lot of disinformation out there about RCV so you can’t even count on support from those who would benefit if they fall for the propaganda. It is definitely an uphill battle.
Remember that half of Americans are dumb enough to vote for Trump. A lot of the other half are also just voting for their favorite letter, without any thought of who’s holding it. Even with RCV, there’s an enormous amount of work to convince people who’ve been voting for their favorite letter for decades, who’ve been told for decades that politicians are all the same, to even pay enough attention to realize there’s another option.
RCV would be a start, but the start of a similarly decades-long process. IMO, it would be easier and faster to reform Dems from within. Recruit properly progressive candidates to primary the tired, old corporate Dems, inspire some of our younger non-voters, and change the party direction. Still take a few election cycles, but you’d keep the people who just vote for their favorite letter.
How does that help anyone? That would just be performative
The Democratic party is right there, and it stands for nothing. It has all the infrastructure set up already. So let’s take it.
Let’s tea party the Democratic party and force them left, kicking and screaming. Let’s build a large enough faction of actual progressives and leftists that Democrats are forced to come to the table. We flip red seats and take vacant ones. Then we primary incumbent Democrats who don’t get with the game plan
That’s what the whole fighting oligarchy tour is about
LOL
lol okay. And I’m a nobody too, that’s why I have a Lemmy account
America has FPTP—she loses any practical chance of influence if she does that. Unless you vote for one of the main two parties, you create the same outcome as if you voted for the party you like least.
The better bet is to push her up to the top of the party and drag it kicking and screaming leftward. Then frankly, start pushing for voting reform to fix this problem
There is no reforming a right wing party or pushing politicians left. The only influence in DC is money, they don’t give a flying fuck what we think
So do what AOC did and get involved in changing it then? It’s certainly more left with her in it than not—imagine if half the party was made up with people with more left wing views. I do not understand why so many of you guys are so inert on this.
The alternative is revolution, and given that involves personal sacrifice in the most hyper-individualist country on the planet, you’re going to have an uphill struggle with getting enough people together to even make the news.
One option is a practical thing you can actually do, without having to wait for anyone else, to start on a path of improving things to align with your views. The other is basically waiting and hoping things eventually get so bad it short-circuits the capitalist propaganda that’s been shoved down every American’s throat since they could breathe. Then that you can get enough people together for a violent revolution at all, let alone enough for one to be successful.
Frankly, if you’re waiting anyway, you may as well get involved in the thing you can do today. Even if at the very least just to get voting reform done—then you can at least vote for a third party and benefit from that vote, could even be a vanguard party!
The party is still republican-lite, but now it’s your fault for not being involved enough.
I live in the UK, my impact has its limits. I’m involved in my country though
Chumming up to the Cheney’s isn’t Republican lite. That’s just a slip away from Trump.
is this still about being cisgender
They love their chains
agreed, the Dems are beyond redemption. Hard to stomach all the replies here, implication being that after enduring 4 more years of Trump we’re faced with another neoliberal smiley gladhand who will say some of the right things but work only to maintain the status quo and corporate hegemony. But alas, we can’t have meaningful change until people come around to the reality of what the Dems and Repugs have been doing since the 1970s.
Wake up you fucking jackasses, Dems are not going to save you.