• Erasmus@lemmy.world
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    Real Democrats need to ditch the establishment Dems and form their own version of MAGA from within and get shit done.

    I saw yesterday where they were going to sideline David Hogg because he was becoming a little too dangerous to some of the members of the ‘Do Nothing’ party.

    What a waste.

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      If you watch the Bernie/AOC rally vids, that is what he’s trying to inspire. One vid has a nurse from the crowd talking about working 7 days a week, to live, and she frankly says the old people need to retire, calling out both Pelosi and Schumer. She’s right. Conservatives also attending.

      Younger people need to compete with and oust the established Dems, like AOC did in her district, or we will never see a fresh approach.

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        If we still have elections in the upcoming years, it would be fantastic for people like AOC to run for public office all around the nation.

        In fact if you are in a position to, I would encourage everyone reading this to take a moment to look up your state’s candidate filing procedures and see how you can try taking an official’s job that they’re not doing. Just because you may not have the millions in funding doesn’t mean you can’t or won’t have a shot at winning.

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          I have never, ever in my entire life aspired to any sort of political office. I figured I wasn’t well suited to that, I don’t have a law degree, it’s just not for me.

          These days that opinion is now “well I couldn’t possibly do a worse job than the ones actually getting elected for this”, so…

          Fuck around, and y’all might catch me running for local office soon.

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            Yes please! And ditto, I too never thought I would/could aspire to run for office but if any positions are up for election near me I will earnestly look into running.

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    I’m not so sure they even want that at all. Simply because of their shameful behavior, while the US president acts like a goddamn Nazi (because he obviously is one, of course).

    But for all that, the Democrats have refused to allow even a little progressiveness in their ranks for years, against the wishes of their own voters.

    But hey, I don’t know very much about all this because I’m from Germany.

    All I can say is that in our country - and this applies to larger parts Europe - Sanders, for example, would be a moderate center-left politician. What he is calling for is not at all radical in many parts of the world, but rather quite normal. Basic decency, so to speak…

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    The Democratic leadership seems to have decided that the way to do this is “get out of their way and let them complete an irreversible takeover and descent into fascism”.

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    Unfortunately the democrats are made up of assholes like Pelosi and Schumer who are just there to get rich.

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      I mean, they have a point. DNC chairs shouldn’t be picking winners. Hogg is free to make his own path. If there is internal corruption he should start by exposing it.

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              Remember Debbie Wasserman Shultz and how everyone was pissed at her for pulling strings for Hilary?

              We don’t need to recreate that.

              I think there could be arguments that the DNC could set their agenda and eject anyone who opposes it but just trying to root people out through back door deals is not great.

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                Sure is convenient that the party suddenly wants impartiality when centrists might get primaried.

                They didn’t have primaries last cycle and just told us who we were expected to vote for and that wasn’t a problem. That was just 6 months ago.

                Democrats care about neutrality like republicans care about fiscal responsibility.

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                So I remember a political party behaving like one? Yeah, I do.

                The party spends money on candidates that’s how politics works (which sucks but whatever).

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    You take the current sitting dictator drag them out by their toes from his Ivory tower string them up in Town square and let everybody look at them.

    That’s how it’s always been done historically and that’s how it’s still done to this day it’s very effective.

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      Republicans still don’t see him as a dictator, though. That’s part of the problem.

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        When the fascists roll up to abduct people they seem to always wear masks, black clothing, and show no ID so they cant be identified. Because they know what they are doing is something unethical, and they would not want it attached to their name. They all need to be doxed and held to account for their criminal conduct, whether acting in an official capacity or not. They had a choice to comply with illegal orders and they chose to comply. Criminals, the lot of them.

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          Ideally they’d just be shot on sight so the modern gestapo is too afraid to keep abducting people.

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        They do, but he’s their dictator. As long as they believe he will do the things they want they’re okay with it.

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    The combination of billionaires and mass media control is literally a threat to the survival of the human species. Chomsky warned us a long time ago. We need to create mechanisms to protect ourselves. Networks like fox news shouldn’t be possible.

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    They held up little signs, begged for bipartisanship, and voted for Republican only written bills. I mean what more do you want from them!

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    Any democratic candidate preaching “forgiveness and healing” needs to be primaried. We need representatives who are willing to absolutely curb-stomp the fuck out a party that is effectively an occupying enemy force.

    These are not people to “reach out” to. They are enemies to overcome.

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    If this is the mentality you’re gonna approach this situation with, you’re cooked. The demented orange asshole is already building a dictatorship and democrats barely give a shit. “Fearing the consequences” isn’t something they do because there are no consequences as we’ve seen multiple times. You gotta make them fear for their lives. And you gotta give people a real alternative to the oligarchy that is the US.

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    Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries still signal caution, urging patience and restraint.

    These two weak, spineless, simpering cowardly weenies, and the rest of the Corporate Democrat Party, are a huge part of the problem. They represent what the Democratic Party has become, and the reason we are in this mess.

    In 2020 we sent a very clear message to both parties that we wanted HitlerPig out, and MAGA crushed and punished - that was the primary motivation of the voters.

    Biden should have had HitlerPig and all his henchmen rounded up literally on his first day, for supporting the Insurrection, if nothing else (and there was a lot more), and sent to Gitmo for extensive interrogation. Biden would have been cheered as a conquering hero had he shown such decisive leadership.

    All the rest of the DC MAGAs should have been declared ineligible to hold office under 14A/S3, and removed, and many prosecuted. Any new Republicans brought in to replace them would have to be investigated for previous MAGA support, and determined if they were eligible to hold office. Then MAGA itself should have been declared a seditious terrorist hate group, and prohibited from existence.

    It would take a while, and in the meantime, Dems would have enjoyed a huge majority in Congress to pass laws that would have codified issues such as Abortion. We saw during MAGA 1.0 how much of our government is on the honor syatem, and ripe for exploitation by those with no honor, and we could have fixed much of that.

    Any subsequent MAGA uprisings should have been treated like the treason it is, and harshly suppressed.

    Then Biden should have expanded the Supreme Court to 13-15 seats, and impeached Clarence Thomas.

    And when all of that was done, we needed to go to Ukraine’s aid full-force, crush the Russian goverment, and kill Putin, distributing his billions in ill-gotten gains to his victims. He is the ultimate force behind the rise in far-right extremism around the world, and his leadership needs to end.

    And when that is done, it will be time to turn our efforts toward reigning in the Sociopathic Oligarchs, and returning them to their rightful place in the hierarchy. They are ruled by the government, not the other way around, and the best way to prove that to them is to heavily tax their wealth, and imprison them for any attempts to avoid it.

    The current laws and the Constitution would have supported such bold action, but it would have taken courageous leadership to do it, and the Democratic leadership has been far too cowardly for far too long. So many opportunities were within our grasp, but were lost through cowardly Democratic leadership by Biden and Congress, following decades of weak leadership by Obama and Clinton.

    We elected Biden, and gave him a Congressional majority, gave them a clear mandate, and demanded action, and they still refused to stem the MAGA tide, out of pure cowardice. It was a disgusting, embarrassing, humiliating performance, with the entire world watching. We have fully lost the respect and trust of the world, and our long-standing hegemony, and it will take decades to regain it, all because of cowardly Democratic leadership.

    IF we ever have a presidential election again, the candidate that supports decisive action against MAGA is the one that will earn my vote. I keep hearing talk that we can’t just run against HitlerPig, and I disagree. He and MAGA are literally the ONLY issue that matters. I have my favorite issues, like Medicare 4 All, and Campaign Finance Reform, but trying to re-establish a proper goverment with MAGA still gumming up the works, will be useless, and will only lead to them regaining power again, and resuming the destruction of Democracy on behalf of the Sociopathic Oligarchs. My personal priorities have to take a backseat to re-establishing a stable Democratic government, so we can then address our real issues.

    IF we manage to regain power, we not only have to ferociously purge MAGA from the world, but we have to purge the cowardly elements from the Democratic party, and make them understand that they alone are responsible for defending American, and ALL Global Democracy.

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    Schumer will shake his finger at you vigorously with the glasses on his nose if you don’t stop misbehaving