Summary
Shortly after midnight early Saturday morning, the Supreme Court handed down a brief order forbidding the Trump administration from removing a group of Venezuelan immigrants from the United States without due process.
The ACLU claims “dozens or hundreds” were allegedly given an English-language document, despite the fact that many of them only speak Spanish.
The Supreme Court ruled the government must give any immigrant “notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal.”
The Court’s one-paragraph order states that “the Government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the United States until further order.”
Though it is just one order, Saturday’s post-midnight order suggests that the Court may no longer tolerate procedural shenanigans intended to evade meaningful judicial review.
They forfeited their power by making the President basically immune to prosecution, then they get all offended that he will ignore their orders.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is what drives me crazy.
Ok, the president is immune, the people that execute his orders are not.
If the courts started holding people under the president accountable for their actions there would be a change in the wind.
Yes, for the defeatists, holding those people accountable is complex and the president would just pardon them but, it would start a real process of the branches of government holding each other accountable.
Hes not even immune, they get to decide what an official act is. It depends on how complicit they or how much the current situation plays into their own goals and each justice is an individual. It’s a fight, every where. Nothing is black and white, but most importantly, nothing is final.
Since it’s the court that decides what’s official, I feel that disobeying their order would be considered unofficial, since it’s not following the rules, right?
You’d think that, but rationality has long since given way to something sinister.
The president also has unchecked pardon power. He’s already shown he’s willing to use it to pardon people who tried to overthrow the government for him.
Technically they made themselves the arbiters of what constituents official duties of the president.
This is a very relevant point
Buys a house next to an airport, complains about aircraft noise.
Buys a house next to a night club, complains about loud music at night.
Gives the President full immunity because it’s the [R]ight thing to do, complains when he stops listening to them.
It’s all the same attitude from shitty people.
Actually prosecuting a sitting president was always nearly impossible. The immunity thing has to do with what happens after the president is no longer in office, doesn’t it? Also, he only has absolute immunity for official acts. So then the question is what constitutes an official act.
And realistically the Supreme Court will eventually reverse itself, assuming that the democracy somewhat survives another decade, which is a good question. Because their ruling about absolute immunity just made no sense. But even if you think it did make sense, there are so many cases that have to go to court to be resolved. If the courts rule against a specific action and the president reads the court order and then does the bad action anyway, does it count as official? I think we can argue that it doesn’t, because the courts specifically clarified that it’s not allowed. But the president’s attorneys would argue the opposite. So then it has to go back to the Supreme Court.
Assuming Trump stays in good health long enough to leave the White House, I think it’s unavoidable that the above situation will occur.
“Signals”, “might”.
Next up is the wagging finger, furrowed brow, and tersely worded letter.
Dont forget the interpretive dance!
Are ya gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?
“Keep this up, and I swear we’re gonna leave a very harsh voice-mail on your phone!”
I’ll believe it when I see it
So fucking sick of the doomer bullshit on Lemmy. Way beyond sus at this point.
Hugely republican GOP, working on a Saturday night at 1 am to vehemently fight against him.
Fuck anyone downplaying this. That’s literally Russia propaganda at the current moment.
It’s more cynical realism.
What actual consequences has Trump ever faced?
How has he reacted to every judicial order telling him he can;t do something?
I’ll be thrilled to see something actually stick to him, but I’m losing faith that anyone can actually make that happen.
are you fucking high??
trump literally reneged on sending this dude to a concentration camp by mistake and then bragged about it
Do you have a reference for the Saturday night thing? Or are you referring to the Supreme Court’s order? I couldn’t find anything about Congress unless I misunderstood
The article says:
Shortly after midnight early Saturday morning
So it’s probably what most of us would call “Friday night” but it’s still after midnight in fairness which is quite late.
Ah thanks. It was paywalled for me.
I think it will take both congress and judicial actually doing something to put me even a little bit at ease.
The court’s order wasn’t even unanimous.
Do you have a reference for the Saturday night thing?
They’re looking for excuses to dismiss things they don’t want to hear.
SCOTUS: You will abide by the lower court’s decision and facilitate the return of the man you admit was sent to a torture prison in El Salvador in error.
Trump’s White House: Yeah, no. He’s never coming back.
SCOTUS: …or else…?
Is that a real official communication from the White House?
The USA has always been far from perfect, but it was better when grown-ups were in charge.
Never too late, guys.
Call again once they have him in court, wearing a nice orange jump suit and heavy duty handcuffs.
I’m so tired of speculation in articles like this.
When the courts decide to shit or (far more likely) get off the pot, then tell us. Don’t waste our time with this “Look! Here’s how we could totally get him if anyone responsible for doing so actually bothered to give a shit!” garbage.
Someone might be getting a strongly worded letter soon.
Don’t forget the clutching pearls.
Yeah but this presupposes that Trump can read.
Why would the Court be Losing Patience with someone who KEEPS IGNORING THEM? If it was ILLEGAL to Ignore the Court there would be Punishments!
Ignoring the court is a dereliction of his duty as president, so he would not be immune from contempt if the supreme Court criminally charged him, per their own parameters when they granted him partial immunity.
Eighty more earnings and they’re going to issue a strongly worded letter.
Edit: I meant warnings, but… This is actually better.
Legit question: what would you want the Supreme Court to do which is more extreme than a strongly-worded letter? Correct me if I’m wrong, but everything they do ultimately boils down to a letter which is more or less strongly worded.
You are correct. It falls on all of America, starting with the justice system, to recognize that order.
We need to save due process.
tRUMP: “lol”
Time to arrest him
