If only Democrats had the stones to do this.

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    NO!! Not a number! Tie it to inflation, as a proportion!! Picking a specific number is what got us in this mess in the first place

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            And if he does? Preferring a neoliberal to a fascist does not make one a neoliberal, especially if a neoliberal has a better shot at preventing a fascist from gaining office than a leftist. Bernie is a social democrat and a pragmatist, and if that’s not left enough for you than say that, but don’t get your ideologies confused.

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              Everyone has already forgotten what happened when the DNC used Bernie to try to bait and switch his voters for Hilary. We might be cooked if everyone has already forgotten this strategy doesn’t work.

              The DNC Neoliberals also funded fringe right wing campaigns to give themselves easy competition, and instead lost to them. Making them partially responsible for Trump ever gaining power, they paved the road every step of the way through fucking insane excuses that limp fuck neolibs just keep lapping up like dogs.

              I personally can’t ever vote for another Republican or Democrat again, MAYBE if an actual leftist is the democratic canidate. But IMO the only way to free ourselves is to end the Duopoly forever, there’s no baby in that bathwater.

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                without looking it up what is neoliberalism and how is it different from social democracy or, indeed, liberalism?

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                  Neoliberals are people pretending to be leftists that suck rich cock instead of representing the majority of their electorate.

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            And that neo-liberal will be the only option that has a snowball’s chance to beat Republicans.

            Sanders isn’t so starry-eyed as to undermine better in the pursuit of perfect.

            He’s been doing this a LOT longer than you.

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                We may be, but he’s still doing the smart thing instead of pushing for the impossible while allowing the terrible, because you don’t like the better.

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                  pushing for the impossible

                  You mean the bare minimum functions of a democratic society, yeah that’s pretry easy and most of europe already figured this out.

                  while allowing the terrible.

                  You are a dumb person for being fooled into accepting this.

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      Correct. Before people say “it should be $25/hr,” federal minimum wage is only matched by the poorest of states. State minimum wage increases would be warranted and implemented in states with a higher cost of living following the federal wage hike.

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        “But muh McDonald’s prices!”

        They’re already $10 a meal my dude, and Amazon is Amazon no matter where you live

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            I moved from upstate NY to eastern PA in 2020. The average fast food worker was making 50% more in upstate NY. Most prices were the same, if not within 10 cents at worst.

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        Then we make two wages, one we call minimum, the other we call living. That way it’s easy to know if a place is offering a living wage or if it’s just unimportant work.

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          lol right now we do have two wages. The minimum wage… and the subminimum wage. Yes, that is a real thing! 2.13$ an hour if you make more than 30$ in tips a month.

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          Then we make two wages, one we call minimum, the other we call living.

          That way we can tell the difference between the morlocks and the eloi.

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    Sweet. $17/hr * 40 = $680 a week * 4 = $2720 a month * 52 = $32640 all before tax. Still not enough to live on.

  • Knowing that my state has the highest minimum wage in the country, and it still isn’t enough to live off of in this state, I think that the minimum needs to be almost twice that. At least in California. Or the federal minimum needs to be based on what shit actually costs regionally, and not just a single number for all 50 states.

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      No single wage is going to be adequate to cover a country as large and as diverse as the United States. The federal minimum wage is not meant to be a solution for every state, but more like a way to set an absolute bare minimum. States, and even cities, can set minimum wages higher than the federal one.

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        If your state’s minimum wage isn’t 7.25/hr with 2.13/hr tipped, don’t act like others should settle for less when you don’t have to.

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      Or the federal minimum needs to be based on what shit actually costs regionally, and not just a single number for all 50 states.

      “Got mine, fuck you.”

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            You don’t get it. I’ve never made six figures in my life. That’s NY poor. We pay more to live here. A dozen eggs is $12.99 here right now. A studio apartment is $1800/mo. Things cost more in wealthier states, so the poverty line is higher, hence the higher state minimum wage.

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              And therefore an hour of my life is worth less than an hour of yours.

              Permanent underclass of flyover morlocks.

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                Still not getting it. Money is fictional. How many cartons of eggs per hour do you make? How many days do you need to work to pay rent? God you’re a dense one.

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                  Let’s put this in a way you’ll refuse to understand because it contradicts the semester of econ you had with someone who was obviously a chicago school weenie.

                  Workers deserve a minimum level of protection no matter where they work. And I don’t trust anyone who sees a statement like that and starts carving out exceptions before anything is accomplished.

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    Ohhhh good job Bernie! I’m sure Johnson will get RIGHT on it! The House you lost will surely vote for that. And the Senate you lost will surely confirm it. And president Musk will absolutely sign it!

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    They only mention livable wages when they are not in a position to do anything about it.

    We need $25 now, not $17 in 5 years. Bernie has become a fucking joke and a shadow of who he used to be

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      They only mention livable wages when they are not in a position to do anything about it.

      In fairness, this was just as unlikely to pass under democrats.

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    He could just as well introduce one to raise it to $17000 and a car as bonus.
    He knows it has no chance so that’s why he does it.
    The sheepdog is virtue signaling again pretending to be progressive.

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          Thanks for getting Trump elected. Your pragmatic thinking is super helpful.

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            I didn’t I’m European.
            And I am very pleased he’s fucking up his own country for once and making it weaker and expediating its inevitable demise.
            It’s a gift to the world.

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                  Why do you post so much about US politics while being so ignorant about them?

                  Are you aware that Bernie Sanders is anti genocide and is one of the only US politicians bringing up legislation against providing Israel with weapons and denouncing the genocide there?

                  If there would be any US politician I would expect you to support it would be him, but you’re just talking uninformed shit. Why?

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      People are triggered by your statement but it’s literally true. I mean…

      He voted for the 2001 AUMF in Afghanistan.

      He voted for the 1988 Iraq Liberation Act.

      He endorsed 2024 U.S./UK strikes on Yemen.

      He supported bombing Yugoslavia in the nineties.

      He backed Libya regime change.

      He backed drone strikes in Somalia.

      Interestingly, he always does the American thing right before backtracking. He’s the perfect example of a progressive controlled politician. I mean, we just need to take a look at him: old, frail, and weak-looking, he has never succeeded in any meaningful way.

      He’s no leader and is only relevant today as a means of appeasing Trump’s opposition with gaslighting nonsense like this bill.

      The US has been compromised from within, fighting against fascism alongside those who allowed it to happen is terribly stupid.

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        The libs are always against war…except the current one.
        Whatever election as an ‘independent’, in the end he invariably endorses the awful dem candidate, not 3rd parties.
        Including the ghouls Hitlery, Copmala and Genocide Joe.