“Tankies” made no measurable difference in the 2024 election. There’s next to none of them in the USA. Go ahead: ask real people in your offline life what a tankie is, and see if even one single person has even heard that word.
Unless, of course, you’re just applying that word to anyone whos not a Republican that’s criticizing the dems. Then I suppose you’ll find “tankies” everywhere.
It feels like a word that’s just being used to divide the left.
It’s the lib version of “woke”; it’s not even used for its original meaning anymore
“All the tankie college kids who love Hamas lost Kamala the election” ok Kristen I’m sure they’re tankies. Please just finish watching your DVR of the Today show
Tankies aren’t left, the word means exactly what it has always meant: supporters of Russian and Chinese Dictatorships. People who would side with the Tanks in their respective massacres of civilians.
I really wish we lived in a world where psyops and social media made no difference in elections.
If it’s “always meant supporting Russia” but the term was coined when Russia was run by the communist party and part of the USSR? Do you not think the communist that supported Russia “the Tankies” would be against the capitalist Oligarchy that Russia currently is?
You’re just using a term to mean what you want it to. Definitely not what it’s “always meant”.
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Lemmygrad, ML, and Hexbear Tankies support all three with no distinctions.
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Economically Russia has transformed structurally it has not. More specifically it has regressed due to Putin ignoring term limits and empowering a loyal Oligarchy. Putin has even said publicly that he wants to restore the former Russian Empire.
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6 months in and Liberals are still trying to blame their election loss on the left.
Ja, this meme is tripe. Tankies are the Lemmy bogeyman, used the same as ‘woke’ by the right.
Ninety million people didn’t vote. Three million voted third party.
What was the difference Trump won by again?
The arrogance of assuming that anyone who didn’t vote or who voted third party, just automatically owe your party their vote.
The entrenched two-party system has done more to cripple democracy in America than any other factor, and yet it’s so pervasive that y’all whip each other into line trying to shame anyone who tries to break free of it.
I guess we’re all better off now having learned a valuable lesson, aren’t we? So… How exactly would you like your ‘thank you’ presented?
Arrogance indeed.
The only way the dems could have won in 2024 is if they did what is popular with their base. This applies to literally every election. You should be furious that they lost to Donald fucking Trump twice because they thought they could win while enacting policies they knew would decrease turnout.
They have their own polling, they know there’s not a bunch of voters who just hate tiktok and will vote for tax credits to buy healthcare for first-generation college grads who run a small business in an under-served community for 3 years, but won’t vote for free healthcare.
No messaging could have made genocide in gaza popular, it’s not the people telling the democrats to stop giving Israel fucking bombs who made facilitating genocide unpopular. The only people who could have changed whether Palestine hurt the dems or helped them were the dems. They decided unlimited support for a genocidal settler colonial state was more important than winning.
Well it’s a good thing we dodged that bullet, isn’t it?
And yeah, I’m furious that ninety three million people were told what was going to happen and chose to not vote anyway.
Unpopular policy decreases turnout. That’s just how democracy works. The narrative of blaming the voters just serves to distract from the only people who could have changed the outcome of the last election and will be the only ones who can change the outcome of future lessons.
If Trump runs for a third term, and the democrats run on building the wall and defunding the government, the same fucking thing will happen.
Arrogance is believing that for some reason despite everything that happened in the last year of her term in office that magically this person who had no concrete message or goals except the continuation of the genocide of people living in tents would be the savior somehow.
She’s just another corporate politician who takes orders from donors and she’s a COP at that - so keep constructing this fantastical image in your head that you think your choice was the answer. She wasn’t and will never be. That’s why we are stuck with Trump.
DUH.
Again, you keep talking about how bad Kamala is, and side-step the disaster that we currently live under.
But whatever helps you cope, right?
Why are liberals so incredibly dense?
Her platform and being the worst candidate ever is the reason we got Trump, but for some reason you ignore this and blame voters.
The democrats played everyone and where are these staunch defenders of democracy now?
Patting themselves on the back for giving meaningless speeches while Trump disassembles democracy.
And these are the people you thought would save you?
I see on another one of your posts that you are angry 90 million people didn’t vote. What makes you think they would have voted for the fraud Kamala even though they could have and didn’t? What did she offer them? The answer is … NOTHING.
And now that Trump is torching the constitution where is Coconut Kamala?
Why giving speeches at Australian real estate events. Nothing says “I’m defending America” like giving Australian real estate speeches.
Your finger pointing is very devisive and exactly what I would expect out of a pampered liberal. Open your eyes and see the truth.
So, this conversation got me thinking. I’ve been wanting to get in better shape lately, but I’m wondering if doing things like… exercising, is really the right way to go about it.
It seems the best advice from all the people that clearly know how everything works, is to do absolutely nothing at all. Because historically, we all know that great change comes from inaction, right? So why not try it? Let’s see if sitting on my ass and watching other people exercise will help me become more fit.
Wish me luck!
I’m just punching right. Tell the Dems to stop standing there.
And it was the Dems who sued the socialist candidate off of the ballot in my state. Not the GOP. They occupy leftist space to prevent leftward movement, while Dems ally with the GOP to push through fascism.
Yep, generalizations work across the board. /s
Bernie and AOC are democrats. The Republicans and Democrats, although I could understand arguments against this, are humans. They can be greedy, shitty, liars, awesome, for the people and and for the oligarchs.
I’m always a little suspect when someone in the face of the r’s having convicted rapists, some of them pedos, on their platform, taking away constitutional rights, and tanking the stock market, say the left is too right. Are they? Some, but let’s focus on putting out the fire, not the dumpsters paint job.
Technically, no, Bernie is an independent who caucuses with dems and runs on their presidential primary ticket. But Bernie supports the dems and I’m with Bernie Sanders on like 95% of policy.
Bernie & AOC are center right at best. They’re both still feverishly advocating for sending more arms to extremists in Europe and the Middle East.
I’m not sure you’ve even seen the left, based on this comment.
If centrists wanted criticism of republicans, they could have done that more.
But then they might not have got the endorsement of dick cheney. establishment democrats punched left and embraced the right.
Most modern Democrats are Reagan Republican Neoliberals.
What a stupid post. Yeah it’s progressives’ fault mango Mussolini is POTUS /s. This is a talking point manufactured by MAGA handlers that some broadly Dem-supporting people choose to broadcast, now outside the US. This is a type of brainrot that undermines critical thinking, divides the left, and helps elect the right. Canada deserves better
Progressives are separate from tankies. You can have leftist ideals without supporting authoritarians.
You must understand that under first-past-the-post the party that receives the most criticism tends to lose. It’s much easier to pressure democrats into doing the right thing then with republicans.
There was a lot of pressure for the most banal, milquetoast, form of representation ever in the form of having a Palestinian speaker at the Democratic national convention with a vetted speech that involved nothing that would have criticized Israel at all.
Even that was too far.
Either the progressives are powerful enough that you have to take them seriously and give them concessions, or they aren’t and you get to ignore them.
What you don’t get to do is give them nothing and blame them when you lose. Or, I guess you do if you’d prefer to lose the general over letting a progressive win the primary.
Huh, funny that, who knew there is a lot of levers and controls that a primary winner, even one that lost the general, gets.
Progressives are not leftists, they are centrist liberals. No matter how many times Sanders calls himself a socialist, he is never going to call for abolishing private ownership of the means of production.
No one calls themselves a tankie. It is a pejorative term for a progressive. It is used to silence legitimate criticism and helps right-shift politics
(Edit: I think your frustration is really more with the mainstream media and what news they choose to cover and amplify)
It’s the term that describes those communists who cheered on the Soviet Union’s violent crushing of the 1956 Hungary revolution protests.
The term is often used when someone claims they support leftist ideals but pushes for authoritarianism.
I get the original etymology. Nowadays it’s carelessly used and appropriated like ‘woke’
What about “lib” and “zio”?
Those are kind of new and exciting. All the kids are doing it.
I’m pretty sure those are used accurately as specific types of fascists.
the Soviet Union’s violent crushing of the 1956 Hungary revolution protests.
Did you know that was recently revealed (through Trump’s jfk doc dump) to be yet another CIA backed fake color revolution?
So Bernie and AOC are tankies to you?
Tankie is in no way a pejorative for Progressive. Hell progressives are usually the ones using it. I wouldn’t even say tankies pretend to be Progressive.
It’s pretty easy to identify tankies. Here, I’ll draw some out for you:
Mao and Stalin were just as evil as Hitler. China is engaging in a genocide of the Uyghur people. Putin is a genocidal war criminal fighting a war of imperialism.
So anyone who doesn’t engage in Double Genocide Theory, a recognized form of Holocaust denial, is a “tankie”.
The difference is we don’t expect anything good from Republicans. We expect libs to at least try but they’d rather punch left than effectively govern.
I’m sure appealing to the non-existant moderate republicans will work again.
Current US: a neoliberal capitalist nightmare being ruined by CEOs
Your most intelligent American: This is definitely the socialists’ fault
I’m punching to the right, it’s not my fault the Dems are always standing there 🤷
As always, point me towards someone supporting Trump on here and I promise I’ll give them an earful. There just aren’t a lot of them on here. If I spend less time arguing against voting for Trump it’s for the same reason I don’t spend much time on here arguing against puppy murdering - because most people already agree that murdering puppies/voting for Trump is bad.
Sorry for disrupting the circlejerk, I guess? Like yeah I guess we could spend all our time denouncing puppy murderers and complementing each other over being enlightened enough to recognize puppy murder as bad, but I’d really rather not.
Feel free to visit the new conservative comms and have at it.
Which one? Do you mean the one that’s exclusively anti-conservative posts?
The ee com is the sarcastic one. There’s a new one in world, and another new one somewhere else that are both serious.
https://lemmy.world/c/conservative is described in the sidebar as, “A community to satirize conservtive and right-wing “ideals”.” So no, that’s not serious.
I guess I just need to find the one that’s “somewhere else.” As I said, point me towards someone supporting Trump and I’ll give them an earful." Notably I did not say, “vaguely reference the existence of a conservative boogeyman and I will scour all ends of the fediverse until I find a community with single digit subscribers and I’ll give them an earful.”
The fact that you can’t even point me to it proves my point exactly. Even if it is out there somewhere, it isn’t large enough for people to see and engage with on a regular basis. Also, you’re clearly not seeking them out either, so it seems pretty hypocritical to expect me to do so.
You’re taking this way too seriously. Have a nap or something. Enjoy your day.
Lol.
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I think that’s kind of the point. In all my time on .ml, I saw daily posts and comments that were anti-Harris/Biden (and for very good reason). I never saw one that was explicitly anti-Trump. I assumed because he is very pro-Putin.
So, to make your analogy more accurate, it’s like everyone focusing on puppy-murder #1 and ignoring puppy, cat and goldfish murderer #2 because he also likes my sports team.
Like, it’s super easy… Fuck Biden because he allowed Palestinian genocide, but fuck Trump too because he has advocated for worse. I rarely, if ever, saw the latter on .ml.
Unless things have gotten better for the Palestinians since he took office. It doesn’t seem to be the case, but I sincerely hope so.
I never saw one that was explicitly anti-Trump.
How many posts and comments did you see that were explicitly anti-puppy murder? I think you’ve missed the point of the analogy.
I assumed because he is very pro-Putin.
What? No, absolutely not. Nobody on .ml is pro-Trump, and anyone who was would be attacked and banned in short order.
This is just liberal brainrot where you ignore everything we actually say and assign us made up stances based on your own preconceptions.
Wow…came out awfully aggressive there (which I guess is part of why ml gets such hate). I’m more than willing to admit I’m wrong. I’m just sharing my experiences in the ml community. Lots of good stuff going on there, but there’s definitely some issues. I’ve seen you a lot and I know you like to pick fights, but I’m mostly on your side. All I said was I never really saw any explicit anti-Trump sentiment. The absence of it is just weird. You cherry-picked a couple lines and never addressed that observation.
You attempted to discredit my claim (with no proof), then said I missed the point of the analogy (with a terrible false-equivalence).
You attacked the idea that ml is pro-Trump (which I never claimed).
Then you brought out the tired liberal brianrot line, assuming incorrectly that I am a liberal. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so fucking wrong.
If you want to engage in good faith, I’m here. I think you’re a pretty smart dude, but ignoring some of the problems of the ml community doesn’t help it grow and affect more good.
P.S. I haven’t been on ml in a few months. If there are any anti-Trump posts, I would love to read them. I could be way off base here.
You attacked the idea that ml is pro-Trump (which I never claimed).
I never saw one that was explicitly anti-Trump. I assumed because he is very pro-Putin.
Right. So you said that the reason that you didn’t see anti-Trump content on .ml is because he’s pro-Putin, but how could I possibly interpret that as you claiming that .ml was pro-Trump?
then said I missed the point of the analogy (with a terrible false-equivalence).
It’s not a “false-equivalence.” You can’t just drop “false-equivalence” and dismiss any comparison you don’t like, you have to actually explain why it isn’t equivalent.
People don’t say things that don’t need to be said, and things don’t really need to be said if everyone reading them already agrees with the thing. I don’t go around randomly saying things like, “wood comes from trees,” or, “the sun is hot,” or, “puppy murder is bad.” That doesn’t imply that I think wood doesn’t come from trees or that I think the sun is cold or that murdering puppies is good, and if anyone came around saying any of those things, I would very firmly correct them on it.
What you’re trying to claim is that us not circlejerking about Trump being bad - something that’s already widely agreed upon in our spaces - means that we’re pro-Trump. Oh, excuse me, your claim isn’t that we’re pro-Trump, it’s that we give preferential treatment to Trump because he’s pro-Putin, important distinction 🙄. The same logic could be used to argue that we - or .world, or any other instance or community - is pro-puppy murder because there aren’t enough posts denouncing it (even though if anyone who was actually pro-puppy murder came around they’d be banned immediately).
P.S. I haven’t been on ml in a few months. If there are any anti-Trump posts, I would love to read them. I could be way off base here.
Estimated 100 000 In NYC Alone Protesting Today As Part of Nationwide 50501 Protest Against Trump & Musk - 311 upvotes
US stock markets see worst day since Covid pandemic after investors shaken by Trump tariffs - 111 upvotes
Dow drops 1,400 as US stocks lead worldwide sell-off after Trump’s tariffs ignite a COVID-like shock - 102 upvotes
China hits back hard at ‘bullying’ Trump tariffs as global recession fears grow - 73 upvotes
All of those were posted within the last 3 days.
Thanks for the links. THAT is something actually substantive that goes against the narrative in the OP. I’ll try to explain the errors in your interpretation and expand on the false-equivalence claim tomorrow.
Right. So you said that the reason that you didn’t see anti-Trump content on .ml is because he’s pro-Putin, but how could I possibly interpret that as you claiming that .ml was pro-Trump?
Because you became instantly defensive and jumped to a conclusion. I get it. There are a lot of people that are rabidly against ml. I’m offering one small critique based on my observations there. One more time, just to be clear, I saw a ton of anti-Biden/Harris chatter and practically zero anti-Trump. This does not mean ml is pro-Trump. I am not claiming and never claimed ml is pro-Trump. I’m not saying that I saw pro-Trump content. It was just this weird black hole of direct criticism surrounding him. Now, this was all in the lead up to the US election, so I’m happy to see that perhaps this has changed (based on your links).
It’s not a “false-equivalence.” You can’t just drop “false-equivalence” and dismiss any comparison you don’t like, you have to actually explain why it isn’t equivalent.
Sorry, I thought it was fairly obvious. I was speaking about specific anti-Biden/Harris vs anti-Trump content. You tried to generalize it back to puppy murder. Those two things are not equivalent. Let’s ditch the analogy. If I understand you correctly, you are saying it’s good enough to criticize the bad actions the US is taking without having to denounce each and every bad actor and I mostly agree. What I’m saying is I saw specific (well-deserved) criticisms of, for example, how terrible Harris would for Palestine, but most brushed aside comments about how bad Trump would be. I saw people trying to get commentors to say one bad thing about Trump and they just wouldn’t do it. I mean, at that point, it’s dance monkey dance so I can understand how they would dig in their heels.
I really wanted to like it there and I think I’ll give it another shot. It just seemed, at least during the election, the point was more to destabilize than to actually further leftist ideals.
This does not mean ml is pro-Trump. I am not claiming and never claimed ml is pro-Trump. I’m not saying that I saw pro-Trump content. It was just this weird black hole of direct criticism surrounding him. Now, this was all in the lead up to the US election, so I’m happy to see that perhaps this has changed (based on your links).
It just seemed, at least during the election, the point was more to destabilize than to actually further leftist ideals.
I don’t have a lot of patience for this style of communication. If you have something to say, say it. You’re just accusing us of shit while dancing around it and acting all “Who, me? Why, I would never suggest such a thing,” while plainly suggesting it. The accusation that you’re trying to get people to believe is that .ml gave preferential treatment to Trump with the intent of helping him to win and cause instability. So stop trying to split hairs and pretend that you’re not accusing us of being pro-Trump and say it to my face.
You tried to generalize it back to puppy murder. Those two things are not equivalent. Let’s ditch the analogy.
The analogy is valid, so no, let’s not.
If I understand you correctly, you are saying it’s good enough to criticize the bad actions the US is taking without having to denounce each and every bad actor and I mostly agree.
No, this isn’t what I’m saying. Please read what I said again.
What I’m saying is that our opposition to Trump is already understood so there’s not really a lot of reason to just reiterate it over and over, with everyone agreeing with each other. That’s not how discourse works. Uncontroversial, mutually understood points are boring and unnecessary to repeat.
We do, of course, denounce Trump. You know, when it comes up. The same way, if you ask me if grass is green, I’ll tell you yes, but I’m not just going to walk up to you and go, “Hello, grass is green.” I assume that since that analogy doesn’t help your conclusion, it’s a “false equivalence” and you’ll say we should “just ditch it.”
I saw people trying to get commentors to say one bad thing about Trump and they just wouldn’t do it.
Did you now? I’d love to see a link to that. My standard is, “If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.”
So stop trying to split hairs and pretend that you’re not accusing us of being pro-Trump and say it to my face.
I’m not sure how I can be more clear. I will try a more direct, succinct approach. I AM NOT ACCUSING YOU (OR ML) OF BEING PRO-TRUMP. I’m saying I observed a lack of anti-Trump sentiment in the run up to the election RELATIVE to the anti-Harris rhetoric. That is all. Lack of “anti” sentiment DOES NOT EQUAL “pro” sentiment.
No, this isn’t what I’m saying. Please read what I said again.
Apologies for misrepresenting you. That’s why I tried to remove the imperfect analogy and talk actual facts.
What I’m saying is that our opposition to Trump is already understood so there’s not really a lot of reason to just reiterate it over and over, with everyone agreeing with each other.
That’s a perfectly reasonable viewpoint. What I don’t understand, then, is that MLs opposition to Biden and Harris were also understood, yet it was reiterated again and again.
Did you now? I’d love to see a link to that. My standard is, “If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.”
Being able to remember exactly which approximately 7 month old post it was and dredge up the exact comment is a tall order. I don’t bookmark this stuff to use as gotchas months later. It probably involved a couple of you big dogs like brain or flyingsquid.
This has all gotten wildly off base, though. This is my only claim: In the run-up to the US election, I observed a lack of anti-Trump sentiment in the run up to the election relative to the anti-Harris rhetoric. It was extremely frustrating then as those of us that had to deal with his first term saw the danger and now as I have to deal with these fascists dismantling my country.
Now, you can claim I’m full of shit, that I’m wrong, that there was exactly as much anti-Trump rhetoric as anti-Biden/Harris, that I moved the goalposts by not initially stating this was months ago (fair), but that is what I saw and why I left. Obviously, .world has it’s own issues, but I’ve spent entirely too long on this site already.
The accusation that you’re trying to get people to believe is that .ml gave preferential treatment to Trump with the intent of helping him to win and cause instability.
Edit: I just reread this part and should address it.
The accusation that you’re trying to get people to believe is that .ml gave preferential treatment to Trump with the intent of helping him to win and cause instability.
You’re correct. I’ve posited a couple theories trying to make sense of the imbalance of critiques and that is one of them. I have no proof of that and should just stick to the facts. Thanks for pointing that out.
You talk like a politician and that is not a complement.
I assumed because he is very pro-Putin.
What a stupid fucking assumption.
Perhaps. I’m smart enough to know that, like everyone else, I can be fucking stupid sometimes.
I was deliberate to use the word assumed, because it was just based on a hunch. That hunch, however, was predicated on observations of how nothing critical could ever be said of Russia.
For example, I was confused about how everyone was (rightly) denouncing the invasion of Palestine, but not the invasion of Ukraine. The most explicit reason I ever received was, apparently, Ukraine is just chock full of Nazis and Putin is simply liberating the innocent Ukrainians. I know there is a lot of history to distill and this is not the best forum for it. It just seems like such a waste of lives on all sides.
So, it stands to reason since ml is reticent to criticize anything about Russia and I see a lack of criticism about Trump (who is buddy buddy with Putin), that may be the cause.
I know your main shtick is to be incendiary, but I just thought I would expand on my reasoning just in case you wanted to have a human conversation.
was predicated on observations of how nothing critical could ever be said of Russia.
Well, no, because things critical of Russia absolutist can and are said.
but not the invasion of Ukraine.
Plenty of people would, I certainly do. But the people who don’t certainly don’t not because they’re pro-Putin or anything.
So, it stands to reason since ml is reticent to criticize anything about Russia
We really aren’t.
I see a lack of criticism about Trump
How do you see a lack of something? What would be the acceptable amount of criticism for Trump? certainly you won’t see anyone there unironically praising him. If there’s more criticism of Dems, it’s because opposition to Trump is already consensus, so there isn’t really more to say about the matter, where as people on Lemmy still have some support for the Dems.
How do you see a lack of something?
In regards to Trump, by measuring it relative to the critiques of other liberals, especially when they are in a race for the US presidency.
If there’s more criticism of Dems, it’s because opposition to Trump is already consensus, so there isn’t really more to say about the matter, where as people on Lemmy still have some support for the Dems.
Extremely well said, and a good point. I’m not sure it explains everything, but it’s something I should definitely consider.
Extremely well said, and a good point. I’m not sure it explains everything, but it’s something I should definitely consider.
Keep it in mind and I think you’ll find it does a pretty good job explaining everything. Think about it like this: I have never seen a single person who is openly pro-MAGA, I don’t know if I’ve even seen someone who’s pro-GOP. On the other end, we’ve been in this Trump dominated political purgatory for almost a decade. What’s the point then, of reiterating criticisms that have been repeated ad-nausea, to a community that universally has already heard them a thousand times and already agrees.
To people who view politics as a spectator sport rather than a power structure for changing the material world, you gotta keep cheering for the home team and booing for the away team, until the end of time.
I thought Democrats were better than Republicans because Democrats will at least listen. Why would I waste my time criticizing the side that doesn’t listen.
This is just a meme designed to divide people who share common interests in opposing corruption and to turn them against each other instead.
This is a common misconception, but leftists and liberals do not share interests. Liberals are reactionaries who wish to return to a previous status quo they enjoyed, same as conservatives, but they disagree about what point to return to.
Leftists seek to move forward and dismantle capitalism. Liberals would rather (and often do) ally with conservatives to defeat leftist goals, because they know no society enjoying the fruits of post-capitalism would wish to return to the Obama era.
If they weren’t willing to do the bare minimum to stop Trump in 2024, we’re not on the same side. At best, they’re useful idiots for the fascists.
Lol, it’s kinda funny, I might not be fully awake, but I read this as “if they [the democratic party] weren’t willing to do the bar minimum [not supporting a genocide] to stop Trump… At best, they’re useful idiots for the fascists.”
Republicans are always evil. They don’t do anything good. Ever. They’re a known quantity. That’s what we expect of them.
We expect the Dems to be better. And they get the smoke when they fail at that. Cutting Corp taxes. Border crackdowns. Genocide. Those are things that should exclusively be the pervue of Republicans. If dems run to the right they will always lose because the right was so triggered by Obama that policy doesn’t matter to them whatsoever. It’s purely teamsport for them. You can’t appeal to them in any way. They see a (D) and vote against that person. Dems would never lose another election if they went only as far left as Bernie Sanders. We would have a perpetually booming economy and a high standard of living. But even that is far too far for the DNC Services Corp. So we get a gameshow host and a car salesman destroying everything.
Republicans are always evil
“Conservatives”, not Republicans. Around 100 years ago the style of both parties in the US was almost exactly reversed.
Dems would never lose another election if they went only as far left as Bernie Sanders
lol
About half of America thought Kamala was too far left. The idea that Americans are secretly socialists just waiting for a real leftist candidate and are willing to tolerate progressively more fascistic politicians in the mean time is simply ridiculous and without any basis in reality.
Not at all. She went too far right and a lot of people stayed home. Cuz one republican is as good as another. They both fuckin suck at literally everything. Except fucking up the economy. Republicans are great at that.
Campaigning with the daughter of a minor demon didn’t help either
Major demon*
Compared to the Demons we’ve got now? Pretty fucking minor IMHO.
Nah, I’m not accepting that kind of Dick Cheney rehabilitation. That man is one of the most evil men to ever hold power in the US.
She promised to institute a tax on unrealized gains.
What constitutes “far right?”
Trump has concentration camps. Biden didn’t. One assumes Kamala wouldn’t. If you don’t see a difference, it speaks to how privileged you are.
Biden built the camps Trump is using. Check yourself.
And do you have any actual reason I should believe that?
“Well, lots of people would have voted for her if she put on a keffiyeh and sang l’Internationale.”
Why should I believe that? There is just no basis to believe there is some secret American socialist majority.
Wouldn’t call it a majority. But it’s a bloc that dems cannot win without. That bloc has also been lied to for literally our entire lives. Grown jaded. And won’t vote for empty promises anymore.
Evidently we can’t win with you because sway like reeds in the wind.
Seriously blaming the tankies again? How bourgeoisie of you lol
If you want to blame something, blame the media. Both news and social media have completely sold out for profit. You CANNOT have a democracy if vast parts of your population is being misinformed. And this started with talk radio in rural areas many decades ago. And the democrats did nothing - because they are not left. Thanks for all the empty “Hope and Change” Obama!
So yeah, blame socialists all you want but their critique was valid.
You need a revolution or reformation. A massive change in who owns the means of communication to have a free press again that is not purely profit driven. Can you even imagine that? Is that something you would say? No. You’d rather blame and denigrate socialists and call them tankies. Look at the mass protests, it seems the libs aren’t even calling for Trump to step down and demand new election lol. People would rather bow to unjust laws and simplistic principles than believe in democracy. Of course they are all being stage managed.
But this is just pathetic.
I’ll say what I already said during the Brexit campaign - if a politician is caught on provably lying to the public, they should be fined, put in prison and prevented from making ANY public appearances or taking public offices for life.
This.
There has to be some accountability, especially for those is positions of power and authority. They should not be allowed to blatantly, and obviously lie their asses off, then claim “I don’t recall…,” or “I was mistaken…,” or throw a subordinate under the bus for providing “Erroneous information.”
You know what you did.
It wasn’t pursuit of profit that killed media scrutiny. It’s that so much of the media is owned by the very same Oligarchs that want the GOP to be in power.
It’s true US media has let us down… but defending Tankies? Nah, dawg, that’s a negatory.
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To reduce infighting amongst the democrats, create official avenues for grievances and disagreements to be settled that can actually influence party platform and trajectory without tearing the movement apart.
This is literally the purpose of the party. People who are quick to disclaim the democrats’ corruption have never been to a DNC meeting. It takes more than one person, and it takes more than one meeting, but that’s literally what it’s there for.
I see a lot of shitting on the Democrats (which, surprise, helps republiQans) but I don’t see a lot of discussion about meeting. I don’t see a lot of "join us for the ___ meeting on ____ ". Just a ton of idiot garbage like “libz! voting is a sham. they all hate Palestinians”
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Very good! And how is that done?
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Excellent. And how is that done?
Yeah. Imagine if all these people actually showed up to primaries.
Or motivated non voters to show up to primaries
Imagine if people could trust democrats to run honest primaries.
Putin loves the fact that the time you chose to criticize them the hardest was during the election. Good job being a pawn for Putin.
Really…? I feel like all the tankie (tanky?) discourse I’ve personally seen has only had vile hatred to say about trump. (namely hexbear)
i didnt know about Lemmy but i found hexbear first, and most of the stuff there was about how much they hate liberals and love Stalin. Several domains about dunking on liberals. For every emote like frothingfash theres twenty about liberal figures they hate as well as one or two about their favorite communist-backed mass killing.
i am in no way a fan of mainstream liberal politics or big D Democrats. much of the political media I consume is deeply critical of Democrats and their strategies, but is also capable of doing the same to conservatives and the GOP. Lemmy ml and hexbear don’t even appear to attempt to pretend about fighting conservative politics outside of vaguely actionable physical threats, meanwhile the 2024 presidential election was won by threadbare percentage points due to barely anyone actually voting. i understand not wanting to vote for Democrats considering their bad policies and genocide supporting, but there is such a thing as harm reduction, and now all the people who pushed people to not vote for Democrats are getting shipped off to blacksites by the Republicans. Can I say for certain that tankies and the like helped get Trump elected, either by accident or on purpose? No. But you certainly didn’t help him NOT win!
Several domains about dunking on liberals.
When communists talk about liberals, they’re talking about anyone who is pro-capitalism.
you certainly didn’t help him NOT win!
What did you do to get the democrats to stop the bad policies and genocide that caused them to lose?
Or did you simply try to convince people that they should shut up about these things because Trump would be worse and you understood that the democrats changing course even if they knew they were on a losing trajectory was never in the cards?
Liberalism has a different meaning than how it is used in American politics. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
