Never thought I would see a flood of Americans refugees coming to Canada to escape a tyrannical government…
I guess that’s what you get when you elect a criminal with dementia as president.
Really? People have been talking about it since the Bush administration. Until now things hadn’t gotten bad enough for people to actually do it in large numbers, but people saying that if the Republicans win they’d move to Canada has been repeated so often over the decades that it became a bit of a joke.
Getting close to Handmaid’s Tale every day.
I know this isn’t related to the article but I would love it as a fuck you to Trump if Canada started allowing political refugees from the states
My fear would be our MAGAts would lie tou you, claim they were never MAGA, get in, and start the same shit there.
Just so you know, Canada’s version of the NSA actually hosted NSA staff or provided signal intelligence to US agencies so they could circumvent the “no spying on us citizens” part of many laws.
We do know how to profile people and have done it internally quite well for some time. Our blind spot is more international due to being the US lapdog. But that will change soon enough.
they would have to scrub their entire social medias, they can barely work their iphones half the time.
Unfortunately they’re already here :(
One of them commented on requiring vaccine papers when coming into Canada. I told him to join his buddies down south.
Exactly
Come to the Netherlands: https://dutchreview.com/expat/30-percent-ruling-netherlands/
I’d love to but I honestly have no idea where to start. That 30 percent ruling is interesting.
Wouldn’t say this put loud until I’m in Canada, but yeah. Leave while you can
That’s dumb. If there’s ever a Hitler-level problem a reasonably fit guy like him can just cross through the woods into canada in several places. Stay and fight. Elon’s defeat in Wisconsin today shows that as lame as it sounds, voting does work. If you actually do it.
what do you mean “if there’s ever”? People are being blackbagged off the street in broad daylight by secret police and sent to torture prisons…
torture prisons
Enhanced Employment
Must be nice to be able to leave
scientists are usually the first target of when a dictator takes power, they often leave before shit hits the fan. then it goes to POC, and then lgbtq+, and then non-loyalists.
Controlling the universities is for control of information.
The Nazis could easily burn down the Institute of Sex Research and all it contents. Today’s fascists cannot burn down the science on queer people and global warming.
Universities have smart people who can say “hey this is the way your economic policies are harming this group of people” or “being LGBT is a normal human variation” or “the American civil war was fought over slavery” or “here are characteristics that seem to be common to every incarnation of fascism, and how they all seem to be related to what’s happening now.”
The idiot arm attacks knowledge online with Alex Jones style “information warfare” - just repeating insane falsehoods over and over again. Never playing defense, always flooding the web with lies and half truths. This is also why fascists love AI so much. (How much time do people waste arguing with bots? And the amount of bots makes these ideas seem more “normal” and common then they are…)
Neat. I wish I could do that. I tried several years ago when I actually had some money because I saw this coming. Nobody wanted disabled people then, and less so Americans now.
People wouldn’t listen back then, when I was called hyperbolic and alarmist, and good fucking luck leaving now. People think leaving is easy – it’s not. We’re stuck in this shit show.
Can’t fix it, can’t leave. Going down with the ship. Fuck everyone who voted to kill me. I will not survive this administration. I’ll probably die within the year because, though I worked my ass off in IT since the 90s, I had to burn through my savings by being weak enough to get sick. *I already have to choose between food and medicine, so I mostly don’t eat. I’ll just stop buying medicine.
So fuck me, I deserve to die now. There’s no escape. There’s no hope.
Most Americans have absolutely no clue how involved the immigration process actually is. Unless you have specific skills, have immediate family in the country you’re going, or are loaded… 95 times out of 100 you’re not going anywhere.
Although where there’s a will there’s a way. You get a tourist visa, overstay, marry a local.
I’m glad I’m a dual citizen with money stashed away in both the US and the country I was born. If shit gets too bad in the US, I can lay low elsewhere while things calm down.
Yep… and if you managed to pass the initial barriers of immigration, but have elderly parents that you’re concerned about, there’s 0 chance they’re getting into the country you were allowed into unless they’re already loaded. That’s the only way for the elderly.
just remember that you become the most dangerous and powerful when you have nothing left to lose.
I just want to say i live in a safe area kinda and have room if you want to survive next 4 years in a progressive state in the middle of the woods but near jobs.
That’s very kind of you, thanks, truly.
I am lucky I live on the border of a blue state. If I got to bug out, then I can.
If you haven’t left yet how do you know you will be able to? You take for granted your freedom. I don’t think allowing you to move will be in the cards eventually.
I believe in Karma.
I think each life is a journey that brings your soul closer to godhood or further from it. I too think this admin will end my life early even though I am healthy simply because they suck that much.
It comforts me knowing how hell awaits those who lack empathy. How their hell may be a next life like yours, full of struggle only to fail because of that which is out of your control. Just as mine would be a hell for someone like Zuckerberg or Musk. Perhaps it is needed in the grand scheme of soul growth for without pain, there is no pleasure.
I hope your next lives are more comforting and pleasant and that you can find peace and even happiness somehow in these coming days.
My heart goes out to you.
I’d be afraid to announce it until I’m out
love America because it doesn’t have kings
I’m not convinced a president who can act with greater impunity than a king in any modern monarchy is better.
I read that a lot, “we don’t have a king, thank cod”. Is it because you’ve seen what a hell hole e.g. the Scandinavian countries are? /s
A king in a modern monarchy is nothing more than a representative of the country. He cuts ribbons and holds encouraging speeches on New Year’s. That’s pretty much it.
Back when the Queen was still alive, Stephen Fry described her role as being “as if Uncle Sam was a real person.” Meaning, being a sort of personification of the country without actually holding any real power over it. I’m not a huge fan of the British monarchy, but if we have to have one I’m at least glad it’s limited to being essentially a powerless tourist attraction.
That doesn’t mean we want one
A strong Parliament/Congress and judicial system is what keeps any executive in check. We’ve just got the worst of both worlds.
The role of a monarch in modern countries is to be a ruler in name only, that way there is no place for another wannabe ruler. There can be only 1.
You make it sound as if that was the point from the jump, rather than them being a vestigial organ you refuse to get rid of.
It was historically what they agreed to. That is their purpose in modern times. Not hard to understand.
That is the purpose they adopted to continue to live at taxpayer expense.
Also not that hard to understand, yall Europeans can be backwards af about this.
I’m not European. You’ll understand fast enough why many countries do this when the US gets a wannabe king, because the position isn’t taken 😂
Lmao okay so you’re implying that any State without a monarch is susceptible to someone claiming a nonexistent crown? Like its some sort of natural law like entropy?
No fam we’ll just kill him
While Fuck Trump, there is something deeply disturbing and creepy about constitutional monarchs.
You don’t think that amongst their families in quiet hushed tones, they discuss and yearn for the prospect of returning to real power someday? They’re basically tyrants-in-waiting. They’re just quietly hanging out in the background, waiting for some crisis in democracy, some loss of confidence in the system, etc. Then, when confidence in democracy is at some historical nadir, they can sweep in and restore themselves to power and glory.
They’re vultures. They’re just biding their time, living the high life, pretending to be kind, benevolent, and harmless. Yet deep in their heart of hearts, they yearn for the power they know was taken from them. They know their ancestors had it. And they want it back.
You don’t think it could happen? Democracy hasn’t existed in European countries for all that long. There are many examples historically of royal restorations where royal houses returned to power, after periods out of power far longer than the existence of many European constitutional monarchies. The idea of a royal restoration returning the King of Norway to real power seems absurd. But by historical standards it’s really not that absurd. Monarchy in Europe existed as a tradition for over a thousand years. Constitutional monarchy is just 1-2 centuries old, or less, in most European countries. Rome’s Republic lasted half a millennia before it collapsed into an absolute monarchy. Don’t dismiss the idea that the monarchs could return to power. I have little doubt that most of today’s constitutional monarchs secretly dream and fantasize about the idea.
And that’s what’s so creepy about them. They may claim to truly believe in democracy. But if they really did, they would give up their crowns entirely. No one who really believes in democracy could accept a position that puts them as a monarch, someone entrusted by power from right of birth. Democracy begins with the proposition that all human beings are created equal. A monarch, however limited in power, is anathema to this. I don’t care how constrained that power is. You cannot truly believe in democracy while serving as a monarch. In their hearts, every “constitutional monarch” dreams of the slim chance that they might see a royal restoration. They are vultures, simply waiting for democracy to get sick and stumble.
Truly, the French and the Soviets had the right idea on how to deal with royalty. Give up your crown or give up your head. That is how you deal with kings properly.
In December 2022, German authorities foiled a far-right coup attempt orchestrated by members of the Reichsbürger (Citizens of the Reich) movement, a group that denies the legitimacy of modern Germany and seeks to restore the German Empire. The plot involved plans to overthrow the federal government, storm the Bundestag (parliament), and install Heinrich XIII Prince Reuss, a descendant of the former German aristocracy, as the new head of state. The conspirators envisioned a monarchist government modeled on the pre-World War I German Reich
Most modern monarchies don’t act like this.
Timothy Synder left for Canada too…
That’s two less canaries in the coalmine.
Canaries were taken into coal mines to warn the miners of poisionous gasses by dropping dead. When the canary metaphorically picks the lock on its metaphorical cage and literally makes a break for the border, I think you can consider that a sign of a similar magnitude.
It’d take more than pulling a passport to prevent the average citizen from illegally entering Canada and claiming refugee status
But I understand the concerns, especially with this steadfast bullshit about Canada being the 51st state.
Shits fucked, yo.
I don’t think you can claim refugee status in Canada if you are an American citizen.
I knew an Albertan who went to Texas and claimed political refugee status after the trucker rally. Eventually they came back.
I have a feeling Americans fleeing the consequences of their disaster politics may not receive the warmest welcome in Canada. There’s a lot of animosity and a lot of it is warranted.
I’m not sure that’s relevant. Nobody chooses to become a refugee, it is a final act of desperation.
Don’t disagree. But the majority of Americans didn’t vote for this. Our system is just out-dated and has been slowly rigged over decades to benefit the few over the many. MOST Americans have never wanted Trump to be President. Many have spent years trying to get others to understand the consequences of his first election, and what is now his second term.
But the voices of the many, are easily drowned out by the voices of the few who enough resources to purchase all our social spaces (Twitter / Facebook) and fill it with bad actors posing as other Americans who spout oligarch rhetoric.
But our oligarchy have only radicalized a minority of us, not the majority.
So while I understand your frustration with Americans, at least 1/3 of them have been fighting against this shit for a long time, and another 1/3 have done nothing. (Which is a different conversation
The point is - this bullshit is now bleeding into Canada and the rest of the world. So the Americans who have lost their country to it might have the best information to share about preventing it.
“Divide and Conquer” is the name of the game, and now that the US is Divided between right and left, billions of dollars of disinfo is now getting aimed your way instead.
With “Canada hates Americans” being the headline Trump wants to see in order to invade you. This is why anti-American rhetoric is being pushed to you, and why anti-Canadian rhetoric is being pushed to us.
We’ve only been allies until now, and the majority of Americans want Canada to be safe from what just happened to us.
This is why anti-American rhetoric is being pushed to you
As a Canadian, I can assure you the anti-american sentiment does not come from any rhetoric being pushed. The actions of trump and co are quite enough.
Oh I don’t disagree at all there either.
I should have been more clear in that SOME of what’s being pushed to you is rhetoric. (Especially with the Poilievre side of the media being almost identical to MAGA in that way.)
I never meant to imply that anti-American sentiment is ONLY from rhetoric. It’s been embarrassing to be an American for years now, so likewise I understand the feeling of disgust towards us and our behaviour.
But a large reason we are in this position is because we became divided on the wrong issues. Every conversation and headline became blaming Dems or the GOP for where we are instead of the oligarchs that have financed both parties for decades. The project 2025 BS is their wet dream, and Trump just needed their money to win and stay out of jail. Selling us all out to them to do so.
So now that I see that same money heading Canada’s way, to likewise divide you against yourselves and us - I feel it’s worth noting caution. Be sceptical of inflammatory headlines, and wary of others that downplay obviously bad things like a politicians criminal record. (wtf America).
But blaming the majority of American citizens is like blaming the majority of Russian ones at this point. It’s Putin / Trumps desires our governments are acting on, not our own.
The biggest difference is most of us have guns, and aren’t afraid to Luigi them towards our oligarchs. Fingers crossed we solve this one way or another before it affects other countries worse than ours.
also MSM have been airing trump propaganda non-stop for the whole of 2024.
If the people fleeing are nazis or sat around like idiots instead of voting the right way, then sure.
If a good American goes to Canada and gets treated like a nazi just because he’s American, then that American has simply found one of the shitty Canadians to avoid. One less thing to think about.
It’ll take a lot more than words and guns
A whole lot more than riches and muscle
The hands of the many must join as one
And together we’ll cross the river
Who gets to turn into the fire breathing t-rex?
I still sometimes go back and rewatch the edit for the SWTOR cutscene to that song
So good
Don’t forget to show you Covid vaccine card before you enter Canada
you wouldn’t know what freedom was if it slapped you in the face.
Hurr Durr don’t forget to show your driver’s license and insurance when you get pulled over. 🤡
Pathetic, maybe go join the fascists in the USA.
