Got nuts, but if you’re worried about people drinking to much work on making it easier to get by as working class. The shorter lifespan is just less getting crushed by the weight of my living expenses.
Ban all advertising for alcohol, too, please
You can’t advertise alcohol on the TV in my country. Only exception is beer.
There hasn’t been an ad for alcohol on US TV for decades and this had no effect, other than saving alcohol industries for wasting money competing with each other in that area.
What? They can’t drink in ads they absolutely still advertise alcohol on television. Its also on a ton of billboards.
Are we speaking of the US, can you show us a clip from US tv advertising whiskey gin even wine? What I am saying is that it had 0 effect on alcoholism
You know we’ve been talking about the US the entire time. You earlier in this same thread:
There hasn’t been an ad for alcohol on US TV for decades
Idk what future you’re from, but these have all been within very recent decades:
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Kid, NBC had banned alcohol ads from their network for 50y that is half the 20th century I had no idea I am speaking to minors here
There are literal tv ads for alcohol in that link. You’re as dumb as you think you are smart.
Those who live in a historical vacuum and think the world is summerized in a still picture … For decades there were no tv ads in America’s public tv … are we living in parallel universe … The first hit I get on search engines is NBC admitting to voluntarily end a 50y long policy of not airing liquor ads.
“I love football on tv, shots of Gina Lee, hangin’ with my friends, and twins.” …something-something “and I love you too. It’s the love song!”
-Alcohol ads used to have the best jingles.
Because you see ads today that means they were always there? Isn’t there any basic train of thought anymore, is everyone now living in still pictures? Why are so many people here denying the article I provided earlier where it was saying that NBC after “50” years it begun having liquor ads again.
" Isn’t there any basic train of thought anymore…"
No, ads, television, and social media destroyed our attention spans.
Now the only tv ads that play are Lawyer ads, Insurance ads, and Pharmaceutical Ads. By comparison, Alcohol ads coming back doesn’t seem half-bad.
I can never tell anymore if people actually believe it or just post it.
I don’t usually watch live television, but I definitely saw a few beer ads during the Super Bowl.
US beer can hardly qualify as control substance, it is what alcoholics drink to reduce the alcohol on their blood. The rest of alcohol has been banned for decades. Imagine that when Amstel first seriously started selling in the US standard Amstel couldn’t classify as beer but only liquor, amstel light did meet the criteria. Now this is tv and radio, other media did have ads.
Tobacco bans mostly hurt motorsports but soon they found alternatives to cover the market.
Per your original comment:
There hasn’t been an ad for alcohol on US TV for decades
Beer is alcohol. Beer is still advertised on US TV. Everything you’ve said just comes across as a bad faith attempt to redirect the argument.
What I am saying is that all the ad restrictions hadn’t had an effect to really decrease alcohol consumption.
Redirect what argument, that WHO decided to waste more billions of financing to pretend they are doing something beyond stating the obvious? Why don’t we go back a few years and see what WHO did to assist and hash propaganda about covid originating in China and other myths without ever going back and dismissing the myths when clear evidence came out that it was all political propaganda fabrications.
The WHO is just like the UN, it sells the middle class of the western world some assurance that funding is going to organizations looking up for humanities best interests.
And who are we to discuss whether this dumb unscientific proposal has any value? Nobody asked us, it is just tax money being funneled somewhere for industry to draw legitimacy for their causes when it needs it.
Drinking is not bad alone, abusing alcohol is, being an alcoholic is bad. What would tags do to alocoholics? You can put a live screen showing them their own liver turning to plaster and they will still empty the bottle.
Meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of people dying from simple curable diseases, kids dying, some dying simply from thirst for clean water or basic nutrient deficiencies. WHO is proposing to put warning on 50yo Cognac bottles.
Holy. I’ve never seen such a perfect example of moving goalposts before.
I’m impressed.If you don’t understand something in specific ask me to explain it. Summary: The WHO are a bunch of hypocrites serving big-pharma interests and feeding propaganda We have more important things to discuss than what WHO does or doesn’t when we will never be asked by WHO on our opinion or whether we choose to support those nobodies. For decades US-TV wasn’t showing alcohol ads, no effect. Since I watch no tv or US sports, I wouldn’t know they begun showing them again. During the decades I watched tv (star-trek NG, taxi, cheers, mork&mindy,SNL) there were never alcohol commercials.
Cigarette labeled packs with horror pics and messages in EU had no effect, but socially pressuring people to quit smoking had a dramatic increase in anti-depressant medication. CIgarettes in the EU all look alike now, less than 10% of the box is left for brand/color/label etc. Nobody pays attention to what the box says.
Italian hospitals first, then French, came out saying they had deaths with symptoms and went back to stored blood samples and were positive for SARS-cov2 … 2months before the first case in China. The Who was still saying that the evidence on where in China the virus originated were inconclusive. They are still publishing reports on covid based on data that only a handful of countries are still providing. They are the joke of the health sector. Big-Pharma must have cut their bribes down and they are seeking bribes from Alcohol companies.You need something better to do with your time than type out a bunch of nonsense no one is going to read.
Everyone has told you multiple times you are flat out wrong about tv ads. Suck it up and move on.
Factcheck: Everyone hasn’t told @[email protected] that they’re flat out wrong about TV ads. I haven’t had my turn yet.
@[email protected], you are flat out wrong about TV ads for alcoholic beverages in the USA. I’m cheerfully hoisting an adult beverage soon as I’ve posted this, “as seen on TV.”
Am I making this up?
What media can safely say 71% of the audience is over 21? A scary movie? Something with explicit sex, what, because that is what teens will run and watch.
Federal and local courts went head to head about alcohol advertising in the 90s and targeting teens (or under aged drinkers 21 in the US since early 1980s). Remember Coors nearly going bankrupt, or Camel being attacked because of their camel cartoon character ads? Superficial hypocritical measures that only lawyers and insurance companies can appreciate.
The division between beer and malt-liquor/liquor in the US is very specific to US regulation that separates beer from liquor. From state to state to sell liquor beer and wine may be separate licenses.
Did any of this have an impact in reducing under 21 addiction, mortality, DUI rates? NO!!
Australian sports fields are covered in alcohol logos So the entire time you are watching football with your children, they are exposed
What is the legal drinking age in Aus? When the Kuwait war started there were kids sent to fight in an unheard land before, and they did and some came back and still couldn’t drink legally in the US. You can drive at 16, on a mandatory draft you could be drafted as young as 16, but you have to be 21 to drink and 18 to buy cigarettes. You can sell crack and crystal-meth on the streets, illegal weapons, flesh, easy when you are 15, but you have to pay a homeless drunk to buy you wine or a pack of Camels.
That is your free market hypocrisy at work.
How else can I explain it, there are millions of children dying because of food and water shortages, but WHO thinks alcohol labels will benefit peoples’ health …
Somebody get us some rope …I agree that there are much bigger problems, but those bigger problems have solutions that are not allowed under capitalism and USA imperialism, so labels is all we’re allowed to fix 🤷
The legal drinking age in Australia is 18 years old, and it has always struck me as odd that it’s so high in the USA
Kids in the US not only abuse alcohol more than any other place in the channel they are used as traffickers for illegal substances due to their less severe criminal treatment. Of course this weight is carried by the lower economic class. In anonymous interviews there was consensus though, it was easier for them to get drugs and guns than alcohol and cigarettes. That’s because they had to pay an adult to get it for them, because they are selling everything else.
All this is a structural part of stability of capitalism as you very well state. Unfortunately the formula of that stability is imposed on all other “dependent” states, and in some cases in extremes (Brazil, Phillipines, …).
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I give up. Who?
World health organisation
RIP bash.org.
the doctor.
Wow! Finally! 🎉🎉 It’s astonishing that it took so many decades. We knew, we always knew that alcohol causes cancer. Now we also know that the risk is significant from any amount. And of course, it’s not just cancer.
Those labels, they really work. Like, the society to big extend quit smoking thanks to those labels.
Policies curbing smoking weren’t popular at the time, people criticized them for being too much of an inconvenience and ineffective at the same time. But they really worked and our society became better and healthier because of them. Funny, how watching the debate about alcohol now, reading people’s comment here, you can actually relive this experience now just years later. When people say “they should focus on X instead”, and things like that, that’s a form of denialism
Those labels, they really work.
So would images of dog extrement.
Turns out, slapping /b/-grade traumatic imagery onto consumer goods has an impact on the human brain. Whoda thunkit?
The alcohol lobby is pretty strong in the US. Good thing we dropped out of WHO. Now we can poison ourselves in peace.
The father of history I believe 4th century BC writes about some Greek mercenaries returning from an expedition in Persia, where one brother wanted his brother killed so he can become the king of Persia, and while walking North they came up on an #Armenian town where they were given food and shelter. He describes the hosts having some large ceramic containers with wine and “straws”, where each drunk from the container.
Alcohol is pretty old, and so is its abuse. There is a difference though when a community collectively make wine for their own consumption and pleasure, and an industry mass producing something with toxic chemical additives to preserve and modify taste/flavor, and have an interest in “pushing” it to a larger and larger market. Same with drugs, and just about anything else. Just examine a woman’s shampoo commercial, the movement, the background, the joy, of using it and tell me they are not resembling the experience to an LSD trip. The woman sudenly is out of her ugly apartment in smokey Chicago in the middle of winter and is running in slow motion in a field full of flowers in the sun, with colors flashing everywhere, her smiling with no reason … purple haze …
Reforming capitalism to be humane and environmentally friendly is just as much an illusion as it is toxic as a political agenda. It is not possible. You can’t just slap warning label on grenades and then hand them off to kids to go play, then ask them to ship to Iraq to kill natives for the good of their “country”. It is too risky to sell anti-inflamatory medication without prescription but it is ok to be paid 1/3 of what a marketing associate makes to go and repare lines during a hurricane … because the elec.company needs to keep its record up of providing service 99.99% of the time. Or its stock price may drop!
WHO needs to go work on ebola epidemics and contain them, but also work on hunger, thirst, bacteria in wells and creeks, shelter, children vaccination, and stop teasing alcohol and tobacco companies for bribes and pocket support.
Isn’t this already common knowledge? No one is drinking alcohol because they think it’s good for you.
People: drink alcohol to help them survive being exploited under capitalism
WHO: “best I can do is tell you that you’re going to die sooner”
Also, I don’t know if anyone’s researched this, but I’m 99% sure the stress chemicals your body generates from being a wage slave and living paycheck to paycheck your entire life are far more carcinogenic than alcohol. Maybe that should come with a label too.
The facts are alcohol doesn’t help anyone to survive shit. We know that it’s the opposite, it makes life of people that consume it more miserable.
It instead accumulates together with the stress you experience within your life. It adds more stress, not removes it. Cancer is just one thing, but alcohol is very disrupting to your endocrine (hormones) system, mental health.
What you’re doing is a form of denialism. That denialism comes precisely from what those labels are addressing. You’re being constantly exposed to the image of alcohol as something to enjoy, a pleasure, relief. It’s constantly reinforced by movies, TV shows, media, advertisements.
It’s not about knowledge. It’s about exposure. If you’re constantly exposed to an image of alcohol as a positive thing in your life then you will deny it’s impact despite the facts, science, and knowledge
There were a bunch of lies published by alcohol industry-backed groups about how a glass of red wine is good for your heart and shit. It probably would be helpful to bust those shitty myths.
Ehhhhhh alcohol is nowhere near as dangerous as cigarettes. The point of labelling cigarettes is that they’re so exceptional dangerous.
Sorry you can’t handle facts you don’t like I guess?
I just assume anyone with that take is an alcoholic. I’ve never seen anyone go to rehab for cigarettes or in the hospital for over dosing on nicotine. They both have terrible long term effects mostly related to heart health. However alcohol has more immediate negative consequences.
We are daily bombarded with news on what the ruling elites have decided to enforce and that it affects our living, yet instead of concentrating on the mechanism we split hair between us on whether we are for or against their decisions. Nobody is left being concerned on what it would be like for us to announce our decisions that would affect their lives.
There is no talk here whether we should act to prevent this or not, just whether we approve or disapprove their actions. The motive? Our disapproval has little if any effect on them, they will keep deciding, they will enforce, and we will comply, because we know no other way.
I say we change the agenda, stop making their news headlines our center for discussion, let’s keep focusing on our headlines, till they start addressing our agenda.
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This is the shittiest most fascist behavior anyone can utilize to avoid criticism and exposure. Delete the original post in where there is live discussion with more users than any thread on this miserable medium that allows people like swampwitch to behave like this.
So ignorant and aggressive it should be forbidden, as soon as a comment is posted posts can’t be removed. Once information is public who does anyone think that is private property and can remove it from the public sphere? Not even facebook twitter and the likes of corporate fascists don’t act the way fediverse actors act. Total punks!
Just figured it wasn’t as relevant as it could be. It was just me mentioning that I think it’s fine to push this sort of change due to being influenced by family working in the ICU seeing cases of alcoholism and alcohol-influenced accidents. However, I am from the UK, which has a higher rate of alcoholism than other nations.
Didn’t think me figuring “eh, nah” would be seen as some sort of heinous micro-aggression.
I am sorry for over-reacting on something so common, but I feel very strongly about such things. If I write something, post a picture of an alien, print some data and publish them, they are no longer my private property, they are public. I shouldn’t have the right to take it away, especially when people used it as a base to discuss that object, despite of its value. It also adds to the confusion, a third person comes by wondering what’s wrong with those that made a comment on something that doesn’t exist.
We should encourage discussion, we should fight those who prevent it. For ages we shut passively in front of a tube receiving and not being able to react or discuss. One way brainwashing without the sound of resistance. Now we can screen out everything by discussion, and each can judge what is right and wrong, what sounds rational and what is.
At least you still have a publicly accessible ER and ICU … because in the US people prefer to die on the street than be billed 4 times life long earning for getting their gull-blotter removed.
Long live the NHS … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t39BdxudF9U
I am honestly incredibly grateful for the NHS and find it bizarre that anyone can be actively against nationalised healthcare. I can’t imagine how many people have died due to simply not wanting to burden their family with excessive bills.
Most people can’t think they can only reproduce propaganda. No sense in debating with parrots. Many people in the US advocates of health care, keep saying “in Europe they have this and that”, no most countries in Europe have/had state sponsored health “insurance” which is very different than socialized health care. So a government administed fund pays for health care, even the one provided by state owned hospitals. Service, product, by product, billed, charged, and paid. Huge administration cost, huge corruption possibilities, all you do is provide the ones with authority to accept the charge and the commission is paid. Brits fought literally in a war against government before ww2 to get this and they got it. The rest fought in a variable degree to get something so they got less. Sweden and Finland being the showcase of capitalism against the SU got something then, quickly begun to have it dismantled after 1990. So the last few socialized health care systems are the NHS, Cuba’s health care, (#2 highest health indicators in the Americas after Canada) … and the US armed forces, which is also being chewed and dismantled and converting to an insurance model. US mil and dependents just showed an ID and got health services, exams, medicine, operations, nothing charged anywhere, just working people serving working people. Such hypocrisy, where capital really needed health care to be effective they adopted a pure socialist model.
Einstein said “the universe and human stupidity are the only known infinite quantities, and I am not really sure about the universe”.
Is there a way to trace big-pharma money to WHO decision makers? Have there been any reports on discovering such “flow”?
Isn’t it obvious that all “medical advise” on addictive legal substances is pressure on a huge market to shift to psychotropic medication for which profitability is 100s of times more controllable?
The more they squeeze the population (nearly 30%) away from cigs, alcohol, and street drugs, the more they gain in anti-depressants. And there seems no effort what so ever to squeeze the street drug addict population away from anything, seriously!
The WHO just wants a piece of the pie, and the more they act like this the more likely you will see the US becoming best friends with WHO elite again. So the blackmail worked!
If you learn more about the effects of alcohol, it is arguably as bad as, if not worse than, cigarettes or marijuana. Ethanol is literally poison that damages liver, and it impedes with the electrical signals between brain cells. The Temperance movement had a point to ban alcohol.
The only reason we are not going to ban alcohol again, is because banning it had proven to have more dire consequences. Gangsters took monopoly of the black market. And tainting black market alcohol to deter people from drinking alcohol is dangerous, just as bootleggers also made their own alcohol but the process is unregulated.
Gangsters took monopoly of the black market
There seems to be some percent of the population in every geography of the planet living, working, survivng as part of this army, contra-band. They are the most vicious supporters of capitalism because they can’t survive outside of capitalism. They are as right wing as it gets, and due to their activity they are constantly in contact and exchange relationships with state armed forces.
Capitalism can not survive without this reactionary army, terrorizing people in worker/poor neighborhoods to not organize and compete with their power, and will act as supporters of police/army in case there was an uprising.
Capitalism can not survive without this para-military force of gangsters, thugs, traffickers, smugglers, mafia, neo-nazis, islamists, … you change geography and they have a different name, but the role is the same. In the 1960s in the US they became so actively brutal it was almost revealed that there was no clear border between state agencies and mafia … who was doing the killing, the infiltrating, the subversions, … they got sloppy! Too much evidence behind.
What I’ve learned over the past five years is that you have to be very careful with this kind of mandate, or it will make people despise and doubt your whole organization. I actually think that this kind of warning label will increase the amount of cancer people get, because they’ll start smoking cigarettes again, which are much worse.
Edit: To clarify, the reason people would start smoking cigarettes is not because it’s an alternative to alcohol; it’s because they would lose faith in health and safety warnings altogether. It’s stupid, but people are stupid.
You will not get very far with calling people stupid. It takes months sometimes for me to have a glass of beer or wine, and very rarely anything stronger, I don’t need it, never liked the feeling of having too much of it.
When I lose my concentration and trying hard to figure something out half a cigarette make my mind work again … I don’t think it is the nicotine though, because vaping with high content of nicotine did nothing other than keeping me from going outside to smoke. I wouldn’t generalize though because the effects can be different for different people, even with tea. I can drink 20 cups of coffee a day, and fall asleep with half a cup next to my pillow, I can drink chamomile and some other herbal teas they say they relax and calm you down, and I’ll be up all night. Black tea has a higher hit than caffeine for me, maybe my caffeine blood content never drops low enough to notice :)
You will not get very far with calling people stupid.
On the contrary. This is why most companies try to make their UXs foolproof. It’s the general wisdom of engineers to assume that the user is stupid. It is this sense in which I mean “people are stupid,” not something directed at anyone in particular.
Once in a while both bosses and obedient puppets branded engineers pay the price of their false assumptions. I suspect the reason users, not companies, are increasingly engaged in using and contributing to linux/unix/BSDs is because “corporate engineers” treated people as being stupid.
Oh I agree. I wish software was not so dumbed down these days. Still, you have to admit they’ve gotten pretty far, as it were.
The thing is. Alcohol can be used in for example cooking. Cigarettes have no good purpose, nothing you can really do with them that has utility outside of direct consumption that exposes you to the full health risks.
And at that point I fear you’re also diminishing the unique harm and danger of cigarettes which produce second hand smoke which exposes others, including kids to health dangers without their consent.
How about we slay the first demon here before starting to equate another lesser one with it? Most people do not have a risk of getting addicted to alcohol, nearly everyone has a risk with a few tries of getting addicted to nicotine and it’s spreading like a plague among children with candy and sweets flavored cartridges for the poison that is e-cigs. This undoing a generation of progress.
It really does risk making more people dismissing the unique dangers and threat of nicotine and smoke products by equating the two and risks creating a DARE moment where the whole thing is just mocked by rising anti-science, anti-expert sentiment spurred on by capitalists eager to undo regulations. I mean things like this are catnip to people like RFK who want to torpedo evidence based science in favor of vibes and snake oil because it presents an in with your average person to criticize the health establishment over at least misplaced priorities.
Drinking on its own is a danger to the drinker. Only when done to excess does it endanger others. Smoking at all produces second-hand smoke and can encourage others to join an addictive behavior that is very, very hard to quit and will be a monkey on their back for years, decades after they stop whereas MOST humans can stop drinking alcohol with less ill effects than stopping daily consumption of caffeine.
Any amount of alcohol is a carcinogen and unhealthy, but at the same time we have to ask what level of risk is okay. Any amount of charred food cooked on charcoal is also a health risk for instance and can lead to exposure to carcinogens. The unique problems of cigarettes and nicotine were always impacts to others who didn’t make that choice including children trapped with smoker parents as well as the addictive properties which left most users trapped or facing a hard fight to stop as well as bad behaviors by industry to hook people while they were young and down. Yes the alcohol industry also tries to get teens and young people to drink but nearly all of them can just stop after they leave college and go on to have a healthy life with zero or limited interactions with alcohol, you cannot say the same for someone who starts using nicotine and uses it heavily for even 6 months.
It’s a label change… you can still use it in your cooking.
Yes please. Sick of the double standard. Can’t buy flavoured nicotine anymore but can still buy sickeningly flavoured liquor.
It’s called flavored moonshine, and it’s art
I have no problem with that. We should be aware of the risks involved with our vices.
If you mean more traumatic images in people’s faces, fuck off.
Do people want me to post 4chan gore here? Maybe some goatse and blue waffle and tubgirl? No? Then maybe you understand.
Forcing people to see that shit if they even stand near a legal-but-icky product is not worth these excuses. Tax it more to reduce consumption. Don’t deliberately traumatize people, for any reason.
Why are you against this? I thought it was shown the advertising is reasonably affective?
If tobacco and alcohol are so toxic and dangerous why are they legal? If banning and restricting substances was so effective why is there such a large percentage of youth hooked and nearly incapable of anything than petty crimes?
I’ll tell you why, because the system to balance itself and justify all the fascism and violence it holds a monopoly on it needs to criminalize a portion of the population to justify general repression. This is how you can maintain the absolute extreme in inequality, violence and legitimizing violence for the benefit of the majority.
I grew up in a society nobody tried to prevent kids from drinking, and I had not seen a kid drunk. Then in the US I was shocked that the first party I attended half the people were tripping falling down and passing out, and that was called fun!
There is a deeper reason of repression, and it is not to protect the public’s health. If they gave a shit about health they would have made health care free and accessible to all as a public service it should have been, together with education, shelter, and nutrition.
Because it’s traumatic imagery being shoved in people’s faces. I don’t give a shit whether it works.
I already don’t smoke and never will - but I have to be exposed to that shit, just looking at the wrong part of a shelf. You could probably put pictures of exploded rat carcasses and starving children on there, apropos of nothing, and yeah no kidding it’ll impact sales!
No practical goal justifies putting this Rotten.com gore and shock content on commodity consumer goods. You wanna reduce sales? Tax it more. Don’t commit psychological warfare against anyone who glances upward at a gas station.
I mean, could have them out of sight, and have the images on them, like they do in Australia.
The reason you are calling it shit is because you were brainwashed that it is. Up until the 80s you could hardly walk into an office public or private and there weren’t public ashtrays around. Have cancer, lung, and heart disease decreased? They have INCREASED!!
Have work accidents lethal and disabling injuries decreased? No, they have increased because of unions being faught against like enemies of the state (which they are to any capitalist state).
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