When Ed Sheeran played the victim card after the Macklemore fallout, he did what all Israel appeasers do: he pretended genocide is too complicated to understand.
One side is far more powerful and commiting genocide, the other is poor and simply trying to survive. Currently it is not complex at all.
My initial position after those first attacks from Hamas were Isreal has the right to defend itself, but what has happened since then is so far beyond the scope of what is acceptable, it is horrible.
There’s a deeper level to it. Israel, especially netanyahu over his long career, created the entire situation. And they did it directly and intentionally
Palestine used to be governed by the PLA. Hamas are hardliners - their founding goal was to turn the region against Israel and drive out the Israeli people. Hardliners are the least effective form of any movement
Israel held elections for Palestinians, giving them an official group to negotiate with, as well as some legal recognition that allows them to collect funds
As soon as Hamas won a single election, they stopped holding elections and the PLA leaders were assassinated soon after
Not to mention the on again off again attacks… Israel would build them infrastructure like hospitals and desalinization plants, then blow them up
There’s a lot to say on the topic, so I’ll end it with a fact that really puts things in contrast…
Before October 11, the average age in Gaza was under 18, and it isn’t like their population numbers were booming
Israel has been on the offense for 80 years, read a damn history book. PRETENDING that this began on Oct.7 is intellectual dishonesty and evidence that you regurgitate talking points sans critical thought.
Dude you should lose custody of your children for saying shit like this.
I’m sorry? Him calling out how children are abused in wars (this isn’t exclusive to Hamas and has been documented around the world, especially African conflicts) means you should lose custody of children? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Oh please. Acting like Israel hasn’t been killing Palestinians for decades. Imagine how Palestine could look now if Israel hadn’t been subjugating and oppressing them for the last 60+ years.
Both sides have been killing each other for decades. Palestinians killing Israelis, Israelis killing Palestinians. Neither side has clean hands in any of this.
Yea in a ratio of about 10 Palestinians per 1 Israeli. Neither side has clean hands. But one side sure is hell bent on completely genociding the other. This both sides shit you’re spewing is disgusting. Recognize that a genocide is taking place and is killing tens of thousands of innocents.
You will be “disciplined” for this point of view on Lemmy. Many here don’t even realize that all fundamentalist parties involved are dedicated to the total obliteration of the other. They don’t understand that this is international, not Israeli vs. Palestinian, but more Jews vs. Islam (which is in itself a gross simplification).
Others want all of these millions of Israelis to “disappear”, as if they have somewhere to go. Others want… more.
You will be “disciplined” for this point of view on Lemmy.
I know. I don’t care. So far it’s all been a bunch of angry foaming-at-the-mouth emotionalism and name calling in the replies.
I have my own views. Others have theirs.
Even Germans who weren’t Nazis and may not have even voted for Hitler.
All the other dogshit that others are well enough covering aside, just a nitpick: Hitler ran for president and lost in 1932. Hindenburg won. Hindenburg then appointed Hitler as Chancellor, signed over most powers to him, dissolved the Reichstag a couple times, and died.
Even if he ran and lost repeatedly in elections, people still voted for Hitler.
That is a matter of historical record.
In the middle of his career he was as mainstream a politician in his adopted country, as they came.
Doing all the same work the rest of them did. Making speeches, strategizing, running the party…
Selling out the working class to the moneyed elites of the time.
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This is wrong on many levels. Comparing a nation that went to war and the unfortunate reality of civilians getting caught in the crosshairs to civilians being massacred over a terrorist act is nonsensical.
Blaming civilians not involved in a war for a terrorist act is not the same. Furthermore, Netanyahu funded the said terrorist group. Perhaps you should get your vision checked?
I don’t blame civilians, I merely observe that they will also partake of collective punishments
brought on by the bad decisions of their political leaders. It is always so, in war. And they elected
those leaders, let us not forget…
Collective punishment isn’t a thing in modern warfare and is definitely a crime against humanity.
This is an example of a corrupt politician getting a shit ton of civilians killed to stay out of prison. Not something you get to respond with an ongoing civilian massacre to.
'ISD analysis found that public figures contributed disproportionately to dehumanising ‘no innocents’ discourse, particularly in Hebrew. Of the top ten most reshared posts in the Hebrew-language dataset, three came from high-profile politicians supportive of ‘no innocents’ rhetoric, including a sitting member of the Knesset (MK)."
You dont agree with facts. Settler colonialism is genocidal by nature. You don’t destroy 83% of agricultural land and attack humanitarian aid if you dot plan to create a famine and force Gazan all out of gaza
One side is far more powerful and commiting genocide, the other is poor and simply trying to survive. Currently it is not complex at all.
My initial position after those first attacks from Hamas were Isreal has the right to defend itself, but what has happened since then is so far beyond the scope of what is acceptable, it is horrible.
There’s a deeper level to it. Israel, especially netanyahu over his long career, created the entire situation. And they did it directly and intentionally
Palestine used to be governed by the PLA. Hamas are hardliners - their founding goal was to turn the region against Israel and drive out the Israeli people. Hardliners are the least effective form of any movement
Israel held elections for Palestinians, giving them an official group to negotiate with, as well as some legal recognition that allows them to collect funds
As soon as Hamas won a single election, they stopped holding elections and the PLA leaders were assassinated soon after
Not to mention the on again off again attacks… Israel would build them infrastructure like hospitals and desalinization plants, then blow them up
There’s a lot to say on the topic, so I’ll end it with a fact that really puts things in contrast…
Before October 11, the average age in Gaza was under 18, and it isn’t like their population numbers were booming
Lust for power and wanting to be godlike is pretty surface level. Nothing too deep there. Same-old, same-old throughout history.
Israel has been on the offense for 80 years, read a damn history book. PRETENDING that this began on Oct.7 is intellectual dishonesty and evidence that you regurgitate talking points sans critical thought.
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How many times can Israeli soldiers murder Palestinian children for the crime of “rock-throwing” before you decide enough is enough?
Just pick a number. Any number.
What culture sends it children into harm’s way to antagonize armed soldiers? Answer: Palestinians.
Not old enough to shave a beard but old enough to wear a suicide vest… again… Palestinians…
Israel rape Palestinians children
Israelis
Dude you should lose custody of your children for saying shit like this.
I hope you are one day oppressed by the same shit you support for others.
I’m sorry? Him calling out how children are abused in wars (this isn’t exclusive to Hamas and has been documented around the world, especially African conflicts) means you should lose custody of children? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Hmm… that’s all ya got?
The fun thing is, I get to walk away and be me and you have to settle for being you.
Oh please. Acting like Israel hasn’t been killing Palestinians for decades. Imagine how Palestine could look now if Israel hadn’t been subjugating and oppressing them for the last 60+ years.
Both sides have been killing each other for decades. Palestinians killing Israelis, Israelis killing Palestinians. Neither side has clean hands in any of this.
Yes, Israeli soldiers murder children, and then get attacked, and then go murder more children.
Never do the pussies bother to fight anyone in a uniform or anyone armed.
It’s always, “Oops, I had to blow up a children’s hospital again.” Fucking despicable.
Yea in a ratio of about 10 Palestinians per 1 Israeli. Neither side has clean hands. But one side sure is hell bent on completely genociding the other. This both sides shit you’re spewing is disgusting. Recognize that a genocide is taking place and is killing tens of thousands of innocents.
Both sides are, but one side has been doing a better job of it for the last 80 years than the other side.
I don’t agree it is a genocide, but I do think either side would be quite glad to see every belligerent member of the other side dead.
There are pro-Palestinian Jews in Israel just as there are Pro-Israeli Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank, though they are few.
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Nat turner committed atrocities? Is Nat turner as bad as the slave owners?
You will be “disciplined” for this point of view on Lemmy. Many here don’t even realize that all fundamentalist parties involved are dedicated to the total obliteration of the other. They don’t understand that this is international, not Israeli vs. Palestinian, but more Jews vs. Islam (which is in itself a gross simplification).
Others want all of these millions of Israelis to “disappear”, as if they have somewhere to go. Others want… more.
It didn’t end with WW2 and the fall of the Nazis…
https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/w3ct5ymp
You will be “disciplined” for this point of view on Lemmy.
I know. I don’t care. So far it’s all been a bunch of angry foaming-at-the-mouth emotionalism and name calling in the replies. I have my own views. Others have theirs.
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Yes, most of the time, I can’t tell if they are ignorant or just stupid.
Perhaps both, at the same time.
All the other dogshit that others are well enough covering aside, just a nitpick: Hitler ran for president and lost in 1932. Hindenburg won. Hindenburg then appointed Hitler as Chancellor, signed over most powers to him, dissolved the Reichstag a couple times, and died.
Even if he ran and lost repeatedly in elections, people still voted for Hitler. That is a matter of historical record. In the middle of his career he was as mainstream a politician in his adopted country, as they came. Doing all the same work the rest of them did. Making speeches, strategizing, running the party… Selling out the working class to the moneyed elites of the time. .
This is wrong on many levels. Comparing a nation that went to war and the unfortunate reality of civilians getting caught in the crosshairs to civilians being massacred over a terrorist act is nonsensical.
Both situations look the same to me. YMMV. .
Blaming civilians not involved in a war for a terrorist act is not the same. Furthermore, Netanyahu funded the said terrorist group. Perhaps you should get your vision checked?
I don’t blame civilians, I merely observe that they will also partake of collective punishments brought on by the bad decisions of their political leaders. It is always so, in war. And they elected those leaders, let us not forget…
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I appreciate you do not blame the civilians.
I will repeat it was never a war.
Collective punishment isn’t a thing in modern warfare and is definitely a crime against humanity.
This is an example of a corrupt politician getting a shit ton of civilians killed to stay out of prison. Not something you get to respond with an ongoing civilian massacre to.
Actually they do blame the civilians.
I don’t think that ordinary right-thinking individuals would want this situation in its current form.
Unfortunately those are rarely the ones who are making the large scale decisions.
Particularly in recent times.
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Israeli voted for genocidal leaders. Aren’t you justifying october7 attrocities with your logic?
I don’t agree that Israe’s leaders are genocidal, so that makes the remainder of what you said completely moot in my mind.
https://www.isdglobal.org/digital-dispatch/no-innocents-the-collective-blame-of-palestinians-online/
'ISD analysis found that public figures contributed disproportionately to dehumanising ‘no innocents’ discourse, particularly in Hebrew. Of the top ten most reshared posts in the Hebrew-language dataset, three came from high-profile politicians supportive of ‘no innocents’ rhetoric, including a sitting member of the Knesset (MK)."
You dont agree with facts. Settler colonialism is genocidal by nature. You don’t destroy 83% of agricultural land and attack humanitarian aid if you dot plan to create a famine and force Gazan all out of gaza