Millions across the US rallied against Trump's authoritarian agenda in nationwide No Kings protests, featuring speeches, performances, and massive crowds.
Yep. The idea that if the marches hit 3% things will suddenly get better is a fallacy though. The US is far too large and sparse for that 3% rule to work like some are hoping. Its a lot of people, and good on everyone for going out, but i think actual change requires a bit more.
Everyone forgot that there is a hidden big good function for protests more than just a good way to show unity
The hidden function is to enable people to be together so they can socialize, get to know each other, and brainstorm on what they can do together to make things better in some way. Brainstorming, doing, and collaborating united
Everybody in a protest getting things done is more effective than a protest where everyone is only just walking with signs
Right! For example I found out people are organizing like in Minneapolis for if/when ICE ramps up anything here. There were people handing out cards with a number to call to report ICE activity and others organizing to help affected families. Respect to Minneapolis for being a model for the country.
First thing everyone in America can do is buy and learn how to safely use, and store a firearm. It won’t be the first line of action that should be taken, but it’s important for when they refuse to cede power and use violence against everyone.
More people need to be trained to defend themselves, and their freedoms.
It needs a trifecta. Protests, Politics, and “Persuasion”.
The protests give weight to the political group. They also give cover and a place to organise for harder actions.
The political elements act to focus the will of the protestors, and provide guidance to the agitators.
The “Persuasion” group add teeth to the political demands. They also act to defend the protestors, when the government gets aggressive.
The 3 need to work together to achieve major changes. “The Troubles”, in northern island are a good example. The IRA didn’t achieve much/anything practical. What they did was force the UK government to sit down and negotiate in (vaguely) good faith. The protests and marches acted to show large scale support for the changes.
Against an intelligent, aware government, the need for violence is implicit, rather than explicit. It’s a lot better to engage early and diffuse political hot potatoes. Unfortunately, the US government doesn’t seem like they will take the hints.
The marches should be used to crystallise the other 2 requirements. A political agency, to act as a voice. As well as those willing to go further, to act as the muscle.
IMO, by that time, oil prices will fall a bit (due to alternative sources, increased electric car use, more paying toll fees to Iran, and/or maybe, just maybe, more Americans cycling, walking, and using public transit), and/or many Americans will get used to the higher prices (the left because some of them like increased gas prices as a check on over-consumption, and MAGAts will not protest it, because Trump could punch a MAGAt in the face and he will say, “Thank you, Mister President. May I have another?”).
Welp it’s happened, so what does his exit look like?
Give it until November since no one can really do anything until then.
And if November doesn’t change it because his administration creates it impossible to vote, wait until a bullet changes things.
The side that wants to advocate for guns better get ready when the other side starts using them. I’d say to ask Charlie Kirk but he’s a little quiet recently.
I read the entire thing when it came out. And it read like bullshit propaganda to keep people from rising up and threatening the existence of the status quo
and your alternative to confronting the US police, military, and the several 10s of million who voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024—and I suppose at least half of those who voted for Dubya—is …,?
Unfortunately with a population of almost 350 million people, it will take more like 12 million to hit the 3.5% (not 3%), so there’s still a ways to go. Each one has been bigger than the previous one so maybe it’s possible, especially if the consequences of this idiotic war get really bad for the average USian–and I don’t see how that won’t get way way worse.
The other thing about that paper with the 3.5% thing, it was talking about sustained protests, not just one every few weeks or months.
On the bright side I don’t see how trump will be able to pretend to be compos mentis for even another year, let alone the rest of his term. But on the dim side, his regime will remain in place even if he’s goes tomorrow.
Last year many articles were saying that if the protests hit 3% of the population Trump was done. Welp it’s happened, so what does his exit look like?
Otherwise this is performative bullshit while we need hard action.
3% of 320 million is like 9.6 million. I guess they needed another 1.6 million people before the world changes for them.
wp:Demographics of the United States
3% of 341 million is 10.23 million; but yeah, it seems to be growing.
Yep. The idea that if the marches hit 3% things will suddenly get better is a fallacy though. The US is far too large and sparse for that 3% rule to work like some are hoping. Its a lot of people, and good on everyone for going out, but i think actual change requires a bit more.
Everyone forgot that there is a hidden big good function for protests more than just a good way to show unity
The hidden function is to enable people to be together so they can socialize, get to know each other, and brainstorm on what they can do together to make things better in some way. Brainstorming, doing, and collaborating united
Everybody in a protest getting things done is more effective than a protest where everyone is only just walking with signs
Right! For example I found out people are organizing like in Minneapolis for if/when ICE ramps up anything here. There were people handing out cards with a number to call to report ICE activity and others organizing to help affected families. Respect to Minneapolis for being a model for the country.
I suppose it also indicates a level of commitment.
e.g. it’s one thing to post on some internet site, another to meet people IRL at a place of interest.
First thing everyone in America can do is buy and learn how to safely use, and store a firearm. It won’t be the first line of action that should be taken, but it’s important for when they refuse to cede power and use violence against everyone.
More people need to be trained to defend themselves, and their freedoms.
It needs a trifecta. Protests, Politics, and “Persuasion”.
The protests give weight to the political group. They also give cover and a place to organise for harder actions.
The political elements act to focus the will of the protestors, and provide guidance to the agitators.
The “Persuasion” group add teeth to the political demands. They also act to defend the protestors, when the government gets aggressive.
The 3 need to work together to achieve major changes. “The Troubles”, in northern island are a good example. The IRA didn’t achieve much/anything practical. What they did was force the UK government to sit down and negotiate in (vaguely) good faith. The protests and marches acted to show large scale support for the changes.
Against an intelligent, aware government, the need for violence is implicit, rather than explicit. It’s a lot better to engage early and diffuse political hot potatoes. Unfortunately, the US government doesn’t seem like they will take the hints.
The marches should be used to crystallise the other 2 requirements. A political agency, to act as a voice. As well as those willing to go further, to act as the muscle.
(9 million ÷ 330 million) < 2.8%
340 million x 3% = 10.2 million
Math
Hard agree. Watch the same people sit out the midterns because on a single issue du jour again. Calling it now. Happy to be proven wrong.
IMO, by that time, oil prices will fall a bit (due to alternative sources, increased electric car use, more paying toll fees to Iran, and/or maybe, just maybe, more Americans cycling, walking, and using public transit), and/or many Americans will get used to the higher prices (the left because some of them like increased gas prices as a check on over-consumption, and MAGAts will not protest it, because Trump could punch a MAGAt in the face and he will say, “Thank you, Mister President. May I have another?”).
Give it until November since no one can really do anything until then.
And if November doesn’t change it because his administration creates it impossible to vote, wait until a bullet changes things.
The side that wants to advocate for guns better get ready when the other side starts using them. I’d say to ask Charlie Kirk but he’s a little quiet recently.
There might be alternatives to triggering a civil war.
The mythical 3.5% rule is to keep protests peaceful, which only helps the oppresser
Oh, so you’ve read Chenoweth and disagree with her analysis? Which parts?
I read the entire thing when it came out. And it read like bullshit propaganda to keep people from rising up and threatening the existence of the status quo
Okay.
and your alternative to confronting the US police, military, and the several 10s of million who voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024—and I suppose at least half of those who voted for Dubya—is …,?
Unfortunately with a population of almost 350 million people, it will take more like 12 million to hit the 3.5% (not 3%), so there’s still a ways to go. Each one has been bigger than the previous one so maybe it’s possible, especially if the consequences of this idiotic war get really bad for the average USian–and I don’t see how that won’t get way way worse.
The other thing about that paper with the 3.5% thing, it was talking about sustained protests, not just one every few weeks or months.
On the bright side I don’t see how trump will be able to pretend to be compos mentis for even another year, let alone the rest of his term. But on the dim side, his regime will remain in place even if he’s goes tomorrow.