The whole point of these people is to manage things.

Let me fix that for you: In a democracy, the whole point of these people is would be to manage things.

There is obviously a fundamental flaw in this system.

Ya think?

Reading the comments, and disregarding that Ventura was just making a point and not seriously suggesting secession, it seems that people are assuming that Minnesota would simply join Canada as a single unit with the current population as it is.

Obviously that’s not what would happen. Canada wouldn’t be getting a 47%-magat population in the deal. First, those people wouldn’t want to secede or go to Canada. They would move to another state before they’d let that happen. Second, Canada wouldn’t just let anyone in just because they were from Minnesota. They’d screen them and decide who to let in. Plus there would be USians from other states trying to move to Minnesota to get in on it. It would be chaotic and messy. Who knows how or if they’d even be able to make it work.

A more likely scenario would be some states seceding, a civil war and major population redistribution, then in the aftermath depending on if the seceding states won independence, maybe a deal with some of them would be made to be annexed by Canada. Or maybe negotiations with certain states would take place during the war regarding future annexation, and Canada might even help them in the war. Who knows.

Aww, ICE ICE Barbie, is Daddy mad at you?

I’ve always said all legislators should be required to walk through the aftermath of an event like sandy Hook or Uvalde before they are allowed to vote on gun legislation. And while I understand why parents would never want video of that made available to the public, I also think it would make a huge difference in public opinion if it was–that’s why I say at least the lawmakers should have to see it (and sight isn’t the only sense of it they’d never forget).

Maga core beliefs go out the window the minute trump says something different. Remember how they were against miltary intervention in foreign countries, especially in the middle east? Well now they’re gung-ho for it. They’re singing that Barbara Ann/bomnb Iran song on the conservative forums right now. There’s a little grumbling from a few of them about trump and minions saying you can’t take your guns to protests, but most are already rationalizing it (because it’s the ‘libtards’ getting shot for it). Pretty soon they’ll all be cheering on the Big Beautiful Gun Roundup.

He raised his own voice a couple of octaves when he said that. “You raise your ^voice?”

And I wouldn’t give them my info whether it’s an op or not. The No Kings/Indivisible have a sign-up thing too, and I wouldn’t give them my info either.

It’s one thing if you personally meet organizers and exchange phone numbers or something, and another thing to put your name and other personal info into someone’s internet-accessible database where you have no idea what may happen with it.

Yep, the only reason I say they’ll more likely just threaten him with it to make him “voluntarily” step down is that his followers would rebel against Vance if he outright power ousts him with the 25th.

But I think he (actually they, the whole cadre that are running things) will go ahead and actually invoke it if trump refuses to cooperate. It’ll just take more work–either a propaganda effort of video clips, rumors, leaks of “doctor reports” and “off-camera incidents”, etc. to convince his cult that he really is unable to continue, or more likely something might just “unfortunately happen” to him. They just have to make sure the magats don’t smell a rat and turn on them.

Oh, and the reason to wait until beginning of next year is so Vance will be able to run for two more full terms.

I predict Vance, et. al. will be doing an effective 25nd Amendment move after the midterms–not needing to actually invoke it but threatening trump with it if he doesn’t play along with their plans. There are lots of ways to manipulate him with both carrots and sticks. Assuming repubs keep their majority in Congress, (see the next paragraph), trump will conveniently have a health crisis that forces him to “retire” next year. Of course he might go ahead and have one without help anyway, but this is assuming he doesn’t.

The wild card is how the midterms will go, which I can’t predict. Will they be free and fair “normal” elections? I seriously doubt it. Lots of red states have one or two blue House seats. Repub-majority red states have been working on stacking election boards and judges ever since 2020 and they’re ready. They’ll make sure those blue House seats turn red, no redistricting is even needed, just manipulation of the voting process–purging the voter rolls on the front end and not counting as many ballots as needed on the back end.

You’re advocating for a general strike? Great! Except … then why are you disparaging the very people this thread is about who are doing exactly that, why are you saying “those efforts are useless” to: “Unions, faith groups and local leaders urge residents not to work, shop or go to school after killing of Renee Good”. That is a general strike. Even though it’s just one day per week for now.

I know what your next reply will because I’ve seen it many times. You’ll say it’s not enough, that everyone has to strike every day all at once or it’s useless. Nope. That’s never going to happen and isn’t how it happened in places where protests and strikes were effective. It doesn’t have to be everyone every single day, though the more the better. It has to be enough that they can’t be ignored or shut down.

Will enough happen here? I really don’t know because there is so much propaganda flooding the zone to suppress information, to scare and to dissuade people, and you’re contributing to that. If you really do want to help, maybe at least just stop contributing to that.

Protesting isn’t effective until it is. Maybe it never will be or maybe the tide will turn or who knows what. We only know doing nothing accomplishes nothing. There are plenty of cases on video of people in Minneapolis preventing ICE from taking people when a crowd showed up yelling, recording, and blowing whistles, where ICE turned around and left. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn’t.

Now since you know so much about what doesn’t work, tell me what should people be doing and what you have done to help make whatever that is happen? I’m tired of every time people try to take action and there’s a post about it on here, you all come swarming out of the woodwork to repeat your same old talking points saying it’s useless and no one should bother. What is your agenda?

Either actually start doing something you think will be effective or shut up about it. Stop trying to dissuade the people who are actually doing something, whether you think they’re effective or not.

They literally said what I quoted and what I responded to: That sociologists say not to bother (who? which?) and that if people do one thing they think they’re done and stop (not at all in my experience).

Which sociologists say “not to bother”? Is it 9 out of 10 of them, like in a toothpaste commercial?

And why do you think people who participate in these things only do it once and stop? Generally the people who participate in one thing are the same people who continue participating in more things. Movements rarely spring full-force into existence at once, they build as more people are affected and/or become aware. Awareness is definitely starting to grow as even oblivious parts of the county are now starting to hear stuff getting through their bubbles that doesn’t match the propaganda from their usual feeding trough.

TBH this post reads like a copy of the typical “your efforts are useless so don’t bother” propaganda that every. single. post advocating activism gets–there are at least 5 times as many posts lie this trying to dissuade people from taking action as posts advocating action. Gee I wonder whose interests that helps?

If you want to argue about what works best and encourage more effective activities, go ahead and do that instead of just complaining about people who are doing something instead of nothing.

I sometimes wonder where we’d be today if Obama hadn’t made that joke or been given the Nobel Prize. That abominable thing might never have entered politics, might never even have entered the conscious awareness of most people of the world.

The university apparently quibbled with Plato’s reference the the “Myth of Androgyne,” in which Aristophanes describes three genders.

I suppose next they’ll be banned from teaching German.

Please stop posting meaningless crap articles with “panics”, “losing support”, “wildly unpopular”, “regrets voting for trump”, anything about them dropping n the polls, etc. etc. It’s all fake crap to make anti-fascists feel good and falsely think they are somehow winning.

No. They aren’t panicking, they are proceeding with their plans full speed ahead and doing whatever they want with impunity. They still have just as much support from the magats as always, and every magat would still happily vote for trump again.

Don’t post these and downvote the ones you see.

*Crumples paper next to phone* “Sorry sir, you’re breaking up. Sir? Sir?” *disconnects*

Dear Rest of the world: I think you’re still in denial and need to understand some things.

There are three main factions in the US, two of which have actively taken a side: Pro-trump/Maga and Anti-trump/anti-fash (because this is way bigger than just trump). The third group is staying out of it and consists of the apathetic(“I’m too busy just trying to get by”), the dual-haters (“Democrats are just as bad so fuck everyone”), and the frightened targets who are lying low.

1. When you say things like, “you sacrificed children for your 2nd amendment, this is what it’s for,now is the time to use it” you are talking to the Magats. They love guns and the second amendment but they are the PRO-trump faction–they aren’t going to go against him, they love him. The Anti-trumpers are not the gun nuts, though some of them have been acquiring guns recently out of fear.

2. The numbers are against the Anti-fash faction: There are a lot of magats/maga supporters, more than many want to realize or admit. They do not live in the same reality as the rest of us. They watch and listen to pro-fash propaganda from Trump, the media, their religious groups, and now the institutions of government itself. They believe it and believe in it. Anti-trumpers are in the minority compared to the magats and the third group. Looking at protester demographics, a large percentage are older/retired, which doesn’t help in a general strike. These numbers will likely shift toward the anti-fash as things get worse, but it hasn’t happened fast enough.

3. The entire republican party apparatus is completely under trump/maga control, and it controls the entire federal government and the majority of state governments. The Supreme Court majority is 90% in agreement with their agenda, so the regime can do whatever the hell it wants with impunity. And is.

4. The magas have taken control of the election process in many States. We don’t know how free and fair the 2026 elections will be. We can be sure that by 2028 they’ll have even more control over the election process in more states than they do now.

5. Trump will invade Greenland, at least if Europe and NATO don’t make it clear they will go to war against the US to stop him and I’ve seen nothing but hand-wringing and “please don’t talk like that” from them so far. Trump is all in on the “Sphere of Influence” worldview with Putin and in that worldview USA gets the Western Hemisphere. Europe and Canada: Stop wishing and waiting for American citizens to be able to depose this regime and start preparing for what you’re going to do about the US.

Yeah sure, sure. Let me know if anything actually happens instead of all this click bait dontchafeelgoodnow BS.

But it did achieve the actual goal, which is that it created a cloud of confusion where a lot of money was moved around and huge amounts wound up in the private pockets of oligarchs, who laughed while hundreds of thousands died.