According to a receipt and several email exchanges buried within the millions of files released on January 30, Epstein had six 55-gallon drums of the chemical delivered to Little St. James (LSJ).
I kind of consider that to be plausible. 330 gallons sounds like a lot but it’s only 6 barrels and there’s way more effective ways to get rid of bodies (which I think is the implication).
Also, justice isn’t being achieved, not because of lack of evidence here, but because disgusting crimes are being covered up, and disgusting people being protected. I’m ok focusing on “why aren’t any men in jail for this right now?”
We wouldnt have to speculate if the DOJ would do their job in a way that allows the population to trust them.
We dont get that though, so we have to be the justice ourselves to a degree by demanding total transparency and that also means questioning to ensure information comes out if its there.
Thats my take.
People are being left to fill in the gaps and that causes mass confusion and makes people question real evidence.
Its not okay
Its so depressing, honestly and its purposeful. They want confusion.
The American government is pretty damn good at Gaslighting and confusing the public, honestly… It wouldnt be the first time… and I have never been one of those tinfoil hat types. You can even go back and think about the Tuskegee experiment, MKUltra ect… among others… Its messed up how much they view us as manipulatable pawns… and this isnt to say other Governments dont engage in similar crap, too but ours is pretty dang experienced in the art of deception now.
P.S. MK Ultra feels cheesy to bring up at all due to the stigma but it happened and its messed up but its an example of purposeful manipulation.
The presence of an IBC tote would imply the presence of some equipment necessary to move it (at least a pallet jack, possibly a forklift), maybe.
However, the inverse does not follow: absence of a tote does not imply the absence of the equipment needed to move one. The presence or absence of the equipment is logically independent of the absence of the equipment (even though it would be be implied by the presence of the equipment).
This is called denying the antecedent. The conditional does not imply the inverse. In symbolic terms:
Conditional: p → q
Inverse: ¬p → ¬q
(p → q) → (¬p → ¬q) is false.
If you’re going to make claims on the Internet, it’s worth learning at least a little propositional logic.
Yea seems a lot easier to just take a body out to sea and drop it. They won’t even know where it ends up between the depth and the currents. I doubt a body would even last that long on the sea bed.
What’s funny is the UK? wants someone to step down cause they hired someone on the list. They fired him a year ago but they still want him to step down. Well US is like whatever. Who cares.
I’ve been boggled by American inaction in this and I wonder if it’s because there’s no recall function in our system? Maybe folks are just waiting for the midterms, but we aren’t seeing civil consequences (firings, boycotts, etc) either.
It genuinely seems like there’s something uniquely American about the lack of consequences here
I mean it’s pretty clear why: Trump’s name appeared more than a million times in the unredacted Epstein files according to Rep. Jamie Raskin
The highest office in the country benefits from the inaction.
I know it’s not really the same thing in the UK, but even within the royal family and public opinion, if it had been Charles instead of Andrew, do you think he would willingly be giving up his royal title and everything that goes with it, even if other members of the family were pressuring him?
Definitely, but there should be systems in place like impeachment, no confidence votes, etc. in the US, Congress can impeach a president and remove them, but if they don’t do so, we-the-people don’t have legal recourse for removing members of Congress in the middle of their terms.
A lot of the advice angry Americans are getting right now is “just vote them out in the midterms”. This feels woefully insufficient
It’s also, like not even that much for this kind of janitorial purpose. To add to that, while it sounds insidious, sulphuric acid isn’t the nefarious thing it sounds like.
Pretty much everything can become quite potent when mixed with other things. There are so many better ways to dispose of bodies than having acid delivered to an island.
Ok. But how much? It’s just used for that doesn’t tell me if that’s a normal amount for reverse osmosis or if it’s triple the amount of a normal scenario.
The records seem to indicate it was used as part of the island’s reverse osmosis water treatment system. There I saved you a click.
I kind of consider that to be plausible. 330 gallons sounds like a lot but it’s only 6 barrels and there’s way more effective ways to get rid of bodies (which I think is the implication). Also, justice isn’t being achieved, not because of lack of evidence here, but because disgusting crimes are being covered up, and disgusting people being protected. I’m ok focusing on “why aren’t any men in jail for this right now?”
Also you’d buy in bulk because the cost of delivery is probably the same.
We wouldnt have to speculate if the DOJ would do their job in a way that allows the population to trust them. We dont get that though, so we have to be the justice ourselves to a degree by demanding total transparency and that also means questioning to ensure information comes out if its there. Thats my take.
People are being left to fill in the gaps and that causes mass confusion and makes people question real evidence. Its not okay
I don’t disagree at all. The process we’re forced to go through because we seem to be the only ones that care is maddening
Its so depressing, honestly and its purposeful. They want confusion. The American government is pretty damn good at Gaslighting and confusing the public, honestly… It wouldnt be the first time… and I have never been one of those tinfoil hat types. You can even go back and think about the Tuskegee experiment, MKUltra ect… among others… Its messed up how much they view us as manipulatable pawns… and this isnt to say other Governments dont engage in similar crap, too but ours is pretty dang experienced in the art of deception now.
P.S. MK Ultra feels cheesy to bring up at all due to the stigma but it happened and its messed up but its an example of purposeful manipulation.
That is probably the point
I think their job is to cover it up and they’re doing it well.
The volume is a tote, aka an IBC container
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container
Super common and readily available for both legitimate and/or illegal purposes.
Document specifically states 6 55-gal drums.
Must not have a forklift on the island in that case
are you telling me epstein couldn’t labor traffic one forklift certified worker
Non sequitir.
The presence of an IBC tote would imply the presence of some equipment necessary to move it (at least a pallet jack, possibly a forklift), maybe.
However, the inverse does not follow: absence of a tote does not imply the absence of the equipment needed to move one. The presence or absence of the equipment is logically independent of the absence of the equipment (even though it would be be implied by the presence of the equipment).
This is called denying the antecedent. The conditional does not imply the inverse. In symbolic terms:
Conditional: p → q
Inverse: ¬p → ¬q
(p → q) → (¬p → ¬q) is false.
If you’re going to make claims on the Internet, it’s worth learning at least a little propositional logic.
Also, forklift attachments exist specifically for grabbing and moving barrels around. One of them is called a parrot beak.
Couldve also used a barrel dolly. Frankly I don’t really care if Jeffrey Epstein was forklift certified.
Didn’t realize there were tall ibc totes, I thought they were all 1000L/265gal
Yea seems a lot easier to just take a body out to sea and drop it. They won’t even know where it ends up between the depth and the currents. I doubt a body would even last that long on the sea bed.
What’s funny is the UK? wants someone to step down cause they hired someone on the list. They fired him a year ago but they still want him to step down. Well US is like whatever. Who cares.
I’ve been boggled by American inaction in this and I wonder if it’s because there’s no recall function in our system? Maybe folks are just waiting for the midterms, but we aren’t seeing civil consequences (firings, boycotts, etc) either. It genuinely seems like there’s something uniquely American about the lack of consequences here
I mean it’s pretty clear why: Trump’s name appeared more than a million times in the unredacted Epstein files according to Rep. Jamie Raskin
The highest office in the country benefits from the inaction.
I know it’s not really the same thing in the UK, but even within the royal family and public opinion, if it had been Charles instead of Andrew, do you think he would willingly be giving up his royal title and everything that goes with it, even if other members of the family were pressuring him?
Definitely, but there should be systems in place like impeachment, no confidence votes, etc. in the US, Congress can impeach a president and remove them, but if they don’t do so, we-the-people don’t have legal recourse for removing members of Congress in the middle of their terms. A lot of the advice angry Americans are getting right now is “just vote them out in the midterms”. This feels woefully insufficient
The plausibly only makes it well hidden, if it wasn’t used for that.
It’s also, like not even that much for this kind of janitorial purpose. To add to that, while it sounds insidious, sulphuric acid isn’t the nefarious thing it sounds like.
My first thought went to scrubbing things like iron and calcium stains.
Some people said when it’s mixed with other things it becomes quite potent. I’m not gonna Google it.
It makes chlorine gas when mixed with bleach.
Point is buying something for your pool in bulk isn’t really a red flag, especially on an island that doesn’t have a pool supply store.
I’m certainly not trying to defend Epstein or anything, but this isn’t the worrysome thing.
As in mix to make something nefarious. To dissolve things.
And if you wanted to do something nefarious, you’d try to hide it as something that can be explained away. You know, as pool supplies.
You’re grasping at straws.
You’re right criminals would never think to hide their activities. That’s crazy talk. Now let’s talk about that weirdly profitable car wash.
What other proof do you have that they were dissolving bodies? Because that’s the implication in the “scariness” of sulfuric acid, right?
Pretty much everything can become quite potent when mixed with other things. There are so many better ways to dispose of bodies than having acid delivered to an island.
Great cover story. At this point, no conspiracy theory is crazy enough to not be true.
Ok. But how much? It’s just used for that doesn’t tell me if that’s a normal amount for reverse osmosis or if it’s triple the amount of a normal scenario.
It would depend on how much water they treated.
Correct. All this information plays a factor in why it was there in the first place.
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yeah, it just seems licentious since most of us have no reason to buy sulphuric acid, let alone such large quantities.