• smeenz@lemmy.nz
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      The leader of the minority party is a piece of shit for…not convincing enough members of the majority maga party to vote against party lines ?

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        To these people, he’s a piece of shit no matter what. They’ve decided that “establishment” Democrats are even more of an enemy than Republicans. No matter what Schumer does, they will always criticize him for it.

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          Yeah apparently so. -7 downvotes (and counting) for me trying to figure out why they’re blaming the minority leader for this…I am so confused.

          I’m not sure if this is maga on lemmy trying to make the dems look bad, or if it’s russian trolls pretending to be dem supporters sick of the establishment or something else but whatever it is, putin has definitely got what he paid for.

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        please, there are two options here, neither is good for Schumer. Either, he’s ineffectual party leader (whether by not knowing or not having control)… OR he orchestrated it to maintain “plausible” deniability.

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          So you want a “party leader” to literally control all other politicians in their party? That’s representative democracy to you? What “control” is he supposed to have?

          What a stupid fucking argument. He doesn’t have a goddamn mind control device and Senators are individuals that make their own decisions.

          Just admit the truth. You criticize Schumer BY DEFAULT no matter what he does. That’s what this boils down to. He did exactly what you said you wanted him to do and now you’re moving the goalposts. You are literally incapable of admitting that he did something you agree with.

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            Yeah what a coincidence that all the representatives that broke the shutdown weren’t up for re-election next time. Very convenient! I’m sure there was zero coordination to decide who would break rank.

            But even if there wasn’t any of that, Chuck still bears responsibility for the failure of the shutdown even if you don’t want to admit it.

            Chuck led the shutdown. For better or for worse, it failed to accomplish its goal. Ultimately more responsibility falls on him as minority leader than anyone else. It’s not insane to want someone who coordinates a major gambit like a government shutdown to be capable of keeping the other representatives from breaking rank to accomplish the goal of the shutdown. Coordinating votes is literally a huge part of the job as majority or minority leader. It’s disingenuous to say expecting a party leader in the house to line up votes is contrary to representative democracy.

            Just admit the truth, you’ll suck Chuck off no matter what he does. You’re literally incapable of not sucking his dick