The California Supreme Court will not prevent Democrats from moving forward Thursday with a plan to redraw congressional districts.
Republicans in the Golden State had asked the state’s high court to step in and temporarily block the redistricting efforts, arguing that Democrats — who are racing to put the plan on the ballot later this year — had skirted a rule requiring state lawmakers to wait at least 30 days before passing newly introduced legislation.
But in a ruling late Wednesday, the court declined to act, writing that the Republican state lawmakers who filed the suit had “failed to meet their burden of establishing a basis for relief at this time.”
Well, they did it in Texas so now we’ll all loose more control with our votes. I know its retaliatory and probably necessary for blue states, but in the long run it will get worse for votes to count. Easy to say and but hard to do, but we need to get rid of land having the power to vote and have the vote of the people count. Rich people own more land anyways and shouldn’t have more control.
I know its retaliatory and probably necessary for blue states, but in the long run it will get worse for votes to count.
You have determined why this is such a big deal that our grandkids or grandroids will look back at this moment as pivotal in American history, and the beginning of the end. It’s fucking sad and nobody really gets it.
This is the beginning of a power struggle between states that will eventually, effectively dissolve the union. Democracy on the national stage dies when the states just start inventing their own power structures in order to stay on the stage at all. After a point, federal government in states will become more of a liability than a benefit, particularly for states or coalitions of states who make more money than they receive from the federal government, and they will start making their own decisions how to use their tax money. And we should all have a pretty good idea where it goes from there.
And it’s not even the wrong choice either, it HAS to be done, it’s just the outcome of what happens when you have a democracy-destroying dictator take over a nation. We didn’t think it could happen, and broadly, the country still doesn’t think it could happen… even as it’s happening.
Begining of the end? Nah, these seeds were planted by Nixon, they sprouted under Reagan, Bush watered them, Trump is just harvesting them.
Realistically, Clinton, Obama, and Biden watered them too, just not as generously.
California knows it’s not ideal, which is why it has an expiration date when it would have to be voted in again by the people (unlike in Texas). Have to fight fire with fire or you lose before you even start.
We are headed for another civil war.
I’ve been calling Trump’s administration the Confederate victory 160 years later. They played the long game and people got cozy with the racists around.
It will take a lot longer than our generation.
This will indeed result in the dissolution of the United States, but before it becomes armed conflict, a lot of things have to happen.
Once every state has “restructured” their representational maps to whatever the fuck they want and it becomes an ongoing stalemate, eventually many states or coalitions of states who bring in more money than they receive from the federal government are going to start withholding their tax money and making their own decisions how to spend their funding. This will start slow so it doesn’t immediately get squashed by the army or national guard, it will be a bill here or there, some will get stopped by courts, some won’t.
Eventually, enough of a region’s money will stay within-region that the whole idea of belonging to a union will seem arbitrary and pointless. People will still elect clowns to speak and vote on bills and such, but it will slowly become both more performative and more contentious.
When the country starts to resemble power-blocs with bold lines between alliances of states representing different ideals or values, that’s when a soft form of segregation begins. The Southern Alliance will have beef with the Cascadian Union, the Northern Heartland will have corn disputes with the nation-state of Neo York. The Eastern Pedophile Coalition will get in fights with the small province of RaytheonDisneyTimeWarnerJohnsonAndJohnson, and as these tensions heat up over years, it will become cultural divides, languages will start to drift, accents will become stronger.
Once we have the clear dividing lines between groups of people, THAT is when all-out war is far more likely than ever. It may take a long time to come to that, but there may also be a lot of “spats” leading up to it. For the immediate future it’s more likely to be civil unrest, riots, national guard crackdowns and protests and counter protests until the violence just starts to feel normal.
Remember the billionaires are trying to speed run this so they can buy people.
They’re also trying to speedrun so they get their own nation borders and laws that allow them to do literally whatever they want so they can really get that line to go up. They will not be happy until they become Dutch East India 2.0 with free reign to launch dropships full of murder drones on any resource they want.
Good.
Hypocracy abound if the California Supreme Court did that. Coming off as “impartial” would mean turning an eye as only sanctioning Republicans while denying Democrats clearly is hypocracy at its finest.
The courts probably fear their legitimacy being unrecognized fully if they go this route.
It’s the California state court, stacked with California liberal judges, who are all aligned with the majority Democratic Party. I’m not shocked to see them rule in the state legislature’s favor.
More interested in seeing if a federal court, stacked with more conservative judges, chooses to intervene.
Now there is a path of escalation I had no anticipated. The Republican federal judges rule the cali maps unconstituonal, Cali goes forward anyway because the 10th amendment and that ruling is patent bullshit. Then Republicans refuse to seat the Cali delegation to Congress, essentially seizing power.
That would set the hair of neoliberals on fire.
Autocrat, Democrat, Hypocrat?
Semiautocrat, Meercrat, Turbocrat, Abomocrat.
Thanks, Obamacrat
Can someone explain to me how this matters? Do republicans really think they will take California? Many of the reds there already moved to Texas.
It means fewer Republican representatives from California in Congress. They’re doing it to match the number of Democratic seats Texas is going to gerrymander out of their state.
But congress doesn’t actually do anything anymore. King Trump holds all the power and as it stands now, congress is mostly ceremonial.
Because the Democrats are the minority. If they pick up 3 or 4 seats in the midterms, they can actually do something about it
It’s going to take a lot more than a slim majority to do what needs to be done.
Reminds me of 2018
That dem majority really turned things around…
Surely giving up and trying nothing will turn things around!
/s
Lol
Even blocking his agenda is something.
Congress doesn’t do anything right now because the Republicans have so little of a majority they can’t afford to lose votes.
If they go full majority it further legitimizes Trump’s agenda when laws are written specifically for him.
And your counter suggestion is what, rolling over?
The only thing that solves fascism is incredible violence. There’s just no way to get enough people to act yet. It will happen when people run out of reasons to comply with laws that only apply to them, but theres going to be a lot of suffering and misery inflicted on us all before enough people say fuck it and grab a brick.
The only thing that solves fascism is incredible violence.
That’s not exactly true.
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The deposition of the Greek junta in 1974 resulted in the deaths of 24 protestors (estimated) at the hands of a fascist tank, but no large-scale violence broke out. Infighting within the junta and the junta’s invasion of Cyprus caused far more death than the revolution did.
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The Carnation Revolution in Portugal that same year only resulted in 4-6 deaths, total, all caused by the reaction of the regime being overthrown; no one was killed by the revolutionaries.
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In Spain, just a year later, Francisco Franco died of natural causes; and while I wouldn’t call what happened over the next few years “peaceful,” it wasn’t quite two years from the death of Franco to the new government’s first successful election, and that time wasn’t marked by anything I would call “incredible violence.”
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Uruguay transitioned from a dictatorship to a democracy in the mid-1980s. It was a little over a year between the first General Strike and the inauguration of the first democratically-elected president of the new government (though some elements of democracy had been filtering back into the government for the previous few years). No one was killed by the anti-fascists.
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Pinochet’s incredibly violent rule in Chile ended with an election and a peaceful (albeit extended) transfer of power between 1988-1990.
Today, all of these countries have a score of 85 or higher on the Freedom House index.
There are other similar examples: Argentina in 1982, the Philippines and the People Power Revolution in 1986, South Africa defeating apartheid in 1994, even South Korea last December. Not all of those are great examples, whether because they didn’t stand the test of time or because they weren’t “quite as bad” to start off with, but it certainly seems that in the modern era, defeating fascism can be done nonviolently.
Will it be done nonviolently in the US? I don’t know. All I know is, every fascist regime in history has either fallen or is in the process of falling. It’s just a matter of time, and how many people die along the way.
theres going to be a lot of suffering and misery inflicted on us all
Definitely true. One way or the other, this isn’t going to be a fun time.
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This is sad that america is being shown how little voting matters when district manipulation occurs. If both dems and repubs do it equally then it might be a wash but it sure exposes a shaky, questionable system.
Oh it won’t be a wash. Republican gerrymandering is basically all in place. gerrymandering becomes less effective/ more risky the more extreme you do it, to when you take it to it’s extreme or go past it, it backfires.
Blue states have largely kept their powder dry is what’s really going on. So there was little benefit and much to lose with Trump picking this fight.
So there was little benefit and much to lose with Trump picking this fight.
When you combine gerrymandering with targeted disenfranchisement, it works great. Dems haven’t been “keeping their powder dry”, they’ve just been lazy and apathetic in the face of a conservative power grab.
In Texas, we’re going to see Abbot crack down hard on liberal leaning corners of Republican staked races. Mass disenfranchisement of students - particularly those in the poorer dorms - plus crackdowns on voting on minority-majority campuses (Texas Southern University in Houston, for instance) go a long way towards strangling Dem turnout. Crackdowns on mail-in voting in liberal leaning elderly suburbs can depress turnout. Deliberate meddling with the certification process for voting machines, harassment of poll workers, and constraints on early voting in big liberal districts can bloat the wait times to vote and discourage participation among liberal voters.
I fully expect to see ICE agents all over polling locations, with a particular eye for anyone who looks illegally colored or otherwise ethnic, in the 2025 municipal cycle
This is sad that america is being shown how little voting matters when district manipulation occurs.
Single representative geographically constrained districts are already a bad system. The fact that these districts have swollen from 15-20k (at the nation’s founding) to 600k+ (in the modern day) have only escalated the degree to which politicians (and their donors) get to pick their voters.
If you want to talk about fixing our broken political system, we need to consider uncapping the total number of House Reps (an artificial limit imposed back in the 1920s to benefit incumbents) and shrink district sizes and afford voters the freedom to select representatives outside the constraint of voting districts.
Bemoaning the gamesmanship over district shapes, at this stage, is just arguing over how you want the game to be rigged. But the idea that districts which are more swing-y are somehow “more fair” than ones that are entrenched by a particular party ignores the dynamics that swing a district to begin with (money, media access, internal party politics). People outside the party duopoly are still wholly unrepresented. People on the losing end of an election are also unrepresented. And people who can’t access their elected representative (because they can’t afford a $2000/plate fund raising lunch) are also unrepresented.
Dems control districting of fewer seats than reps. That’s just a path to permanent minority rule by the reps.
