No it fucking isn’t. You really think anybody who voted R in the last election isn’t going to vote R in the next one, assuming we even have another election?
Actually yes, there are going to be a very noticable amount of people swinging back to the other side. Most people are dipshits who voted trump because they forgot what he did the first time. They may not vote away from republicans but democrats have a huge window of opportunity to blow away
2028 is a long time from now, and there’s a lot of ways for republicans to retain power, and for democrats to “appeal to the moderates” by shifting further right before then
Well then they obviously don’t give a shit about government policy and are just mindless fools following the breeze. They can vote Democrat if they want, and their votes are welcome. But “not turning them away” implies actually trying to adjust the party’s positions to appeal to them. Sorry, but we don’t need to for example, throw trans kids under the bus, just to appeal to a bunch of idiots that happily voted for a known rapist. These are fundamentally not good people.
There’s this giant fucking myth of “crossover voters” but what few of them they are, are statistically insignificant.
What can make them significant, is giving them something to cross party lines for.
08 Obama we all thought he was really a progressive and even as a Black man with the middle name Hussien he got traditional Republican voters to vote D and flipped a shit ton of red states.
If trump pisses off maga voters, best case scenario they don’t vote for a couple elections.
At this point thinking trump can do anything to make them vote D is willing naivety.
I was listening to a radio show (CBC) who had an expert on voting demographics. He was saying that a fairly sizeable portion of Trump’s base were irregular voters. That is to say, they only turn out if they feel strongly enough about something, and the promise they believed was that he would fight corruption.
They also have a core belief that the gov’t is run by a cabal of pedophiles, and that Trump would fix that. Backing down on the Epstein files is a huge slap in the face to them.
So while you’re absolutely right that these people would probably never cross the aisle and vote democrat, as you say, what they’re more likely to do is just not vote.
So are we supposed to just give up and just accept that every election is going to swing to the right now? Assuming they don’t rig elections, how are we expected to get people over to the other side if we treat them like garbage even if they realized they fucked up? I don’t think it’s very wise in this current situation to continue to make enemies when we are all in danger. The fact that people are breaking away should be a good thing and we should encourage it instead of just calling them stupid. If one of your friends joined a cult and managed to get out, would you be pissed at your friend for falling for it or be pissed at the cult that manipulated them? In cults there are always hierarchies and the majority of MAGA are not the people we see in podcasts and on the news. Those are the people in charge and are the ones that convince people to join for their own selfish reason by being loud and portraying themselves as the victims.
Seriously, go look up videos of people that were in cults and tell me that it’s their fault. There are people that would rather kill themselves than try and leave the cult because they are so scared. We only see this on a macroscopic scale while we never consider the small scale things going on all over the country. These people have literally been brainwashed and the people on the “outside” would rather call them stupid than give them a chance at fixing things. All that does is reinforce the idea that the cult is better because everyone else hates them.
Edit: I’m not saying we need to forgive them. All I’m saying is treat them like people instead of all of them being monsters.
All I’m saying is treat them like people instead of all of them being monsters.
I’m all for treating anyone with decency once they start acting like people, and not monsters. They’re not going to get a welcome by clinging to their racism and conspiracies.
No it fucking isn’t. You really think anybody who voted R in the last election isn’t going to vote R in the next one, assuming we even have another election?
Fuck them. We saw what they did.
Many of them voted D during 2008 and 2012. Why do you think they would never flip back?
Actually yes, there are going to be a very noticable amount of people swinging back to the other side. Most people are dipshits who voted trump because they forgot what he did the first time. They may not vote away from republicans but democrats have a huge window of opportunity to blow away
2028 is a long time from now, and there’s a lot of ways for republicans to retain power, and for democrats to “appeal to the moderates” by shifting further right before then
Like I said, YUGE window the democrats have the opportunity to piss away
Well then they obviously don’t give a shit about government policy and are just mindless fools following the breeze. They can vote Democrat if they want, and their votes are welcome. But “not turning them away” implies actually trying to adjust the party’s positions to appeal to them. Sorry, but we don’t need to for example, throw trans kids under the bus, just to appeal to a bunch of idiots that happily voted for a known rapist. These are fundamentally not good people.
Agreed. Cannot wait to see how democrats decide how they want to throw away their biggest opportunities
There’s this giant fucking myth of “crossover voters” but what few of them they are, are statistically insignificant.
What can make them significant, is giving them something to cross party lines for.
08 Obama we all thought he was really a progressive and even as a Black man with the middle name Hussien he got traditional Republican voters to vote D and flipped a shit ton of red states.
If trump pisses off maga voters, best case scenario they don’t vote for a couple elections.
At this point thinking trump can do anything to make them vote D is willing naivety.
I was listening to a radio show (CBC) who had an expert on voting demographics. He was saying that a fairly sizeable portion of Trump’s base were irregular voters. That is to say, they only turn out if they feel strongly enough about something, and the promise they believed was that he would fight corruption.
They also have a core belief that the gov’t is run by a cabal of pedophiles, and that Trump would fix that. Backing down on the Epstein files is a huge slap in the face to them.
So while you’re absolutely right that these people would probably never cross the aisle and vote democrat, as you say, what they’re more likely to do is just not vote.
I just watched Cody Johnson’s new podcast and he made a good point:
trump and “the left” kind of forgot about Epstein, but for a lot of MAGA that shit was the whole point.
Like, remember that guy who shot up a Chucky Cheese knockoff because they wouldn’t take him to a basement that literally didn’t exist?
This was the thing MAGA was built off of, and trump just fuckin forgot.
So are we supposed to just give up and just accept that every election is going to swing to the right now? Assuming they don’t rig elections, how are we expected to get people over to the other side if we treat them like garbage even if they realized they fucked up? I don’t think it’s very wise in this current situation to continue to make enemies when we are all in danger. The fact that people are breaking away should be a good thing and we should encourage it instead of just calling them stupid. If one of your friends joined a cult and managed to get out, would you be pissed at your friend for falling for it or be pissed at the cult that manipulated them? In cults there are always hierarchies and the majority of MAGA are not the people we see in podcasts and on the news. Those are the people in charge and are the ones that convince people to join for their own selfish reason by being loud and portraying themselves as the victims.
Seriously, go look up videos of people that were in cults and tell me that it’s their fault. There are people that would rather kill themselves than try and leave the cult because they are so scared. We only see this on a macroscopic scale while we never consider the small scale things going on all over the country. These people have literally been brainwashed and the people on the “outside” would rather call them stupid than give them a chance at fixing things. All that does is reinforce the idea that the cult is better because everyone else hates them.
Edit: I’m not saying we need to forgive them. All I’m saying is treat them like people instead of all of them being monsters.
I’m all for treating anyone with decency once they start acting like people, and not monsters. They’re not going to get a welcome by clinging to their racism and conspiracies.