That’s fair. People were definitely looking for any excuse.

This is something that really bothered me about the recent election. It was clear that Cheney was only campaigning with Harris because she wanted to stop Trump not because she agreed with the policies of Harris. She was still a believer in “Republican” policies but understood the danger of Trump winning and did what she could to make him lose.

The left then said that because she was being put out there by the Harris campaign as someone who would help get people to vote for her that must have meant she agreed with all of Harris’s policies. Which means Harris must have been a Republican and had all Republican policies despite her having multiple rather progressive policies that the majority of people support.

Instead of having the completely rational thought that if a shitty Republican like Cheney refuses to vote for Trump and says we should all vote against him then that’s a positive and should help convince independents and non voters that this was such an important election, they ignored that and made BS assumptions and accusations about the entire Harris campaign. It fucking sucked.

All the Harris campaign had to do to make sure this wasn’t a thing was simply ask for a recount. That’s it. They had the money. I understand that it might have looked bad as if she was a sore loser, but a recount in one swing state would have been easy, could have shown any discrepancies, and we would have known that either nothing happened or something happened.

In 2020 they did recount after recount and always found the same result that Biden won. Not doing recounts is insane.

My thought as well. I totally get if you want it replaced with Medicare for all (I do), but no actual Democrat wants that shit repealed outright without a universal healthcare replacement.

Something interesting, according to this survey 27% of democrat non voters want Obamacare repealed. 27% think women are too easily offended. 20% are pro-life.

As the article suggests, however, we shouldn’t really take this data as a defining reason for why democratic voters didn’t come out to vote. Even more so, the data literally shows that the majority still broadly support progressive policies. Portraying this as “oh the Democrats were too progressive or too far left” is BS. The articles first couple paragraphs focus on portraying things from this perspective but it does get better.

I think you should just look at the graph though. That’s the data. And it shows that non-voters were still majority supporters of progressive policies. That’s what matters.

I was going to comment a joke saying that it must have been “Iminacult1234” only to find out that it was actually a reference to her cult. She shouldn’t be anywhere near power.

Yes because Mugshots are done in cars, outside, in hallways, and only occasionally with a flat white background. We all know this.

Seriously though, only some of these are actual mugshots, often they seem to just be pictures of accused people with no fucking names attached so there is no way to fact check it.

I think part of this is that because they “paused” the other tariffs, they still want to feel like they’re punishing a ton of countries. So that means they go from a 54% tariff on China just a few weeks ago, to the 104% tariff on China for just a few days, then the 124% tariff on China, and now the 245% tariff on China. They want to feel like they’re punishing other countries and this is the only way they can get that feeling, that fix. They’re fucking idiots.

That’s a good way to have foreign companies that are currently invested in the US to pull all of their investments and fire everyone working for them over here.

Everything he does is just making us more isolated from the world.

“our community too” you say??? Then why are you hell bent on absolutely destroying it and supporting people who want to send all of us, you included, to camps? You lost all right to be apart of this community the day you decided voting for fascism was more important than your fellow queer folk.

Fuckers deserve to never be allowed in any gay bar ever again.

I mean the thing that signaled Biden had any chance in 2020 was him winning South Carolina pretty big and that showed the establishment moderates that there was someone to back who could win against Bernie. Since Bernie had a plurality not a majority it was a tough race to win outright. Super Tuesday solidified his lead but then Covid happened less than 2 weeks later and made it so Bernie couldn’t have made up for his losses on Super Tuesday. Basically guaranteeing that Biden would win. The people that dropped out before ST were Buttigieg, Klobochar, and O’Rourke had kinda already crashed and burned. But Pete was the more left leaning out of those people so even with him dropping out it would make sense for much of those voters to go to Bernie. So realistically a Bidens bump started with South Carolina and the moderates then realized he was their only chance. Again, Bernie could have, and likely would have over come this without COVID. But he didn’t. If voters in South Carolina had picked Bernie Biden wouldn’t have gotten any bump and Bernie would have continued his way to a plurality of votes. Biden also eventually got a majority of voters to his side while Bernie has never had a majority of voters. Mind you, neither did Obama. But Obama was…Obama. Being a young charasmatic person who can inspire in your speeches helps a whole lot.

Bernie was doing well but couldn’t overcome that Biden was viewed as a strong candidate by moderates overall, that covid happened, and also that he just wasn’t a Democrat. People had the same thought process for Bloomberg because he was a Republican. They wanted a democrat at the head.

This is also why it will be easier for someone who has always been a Democrat to win the presidential primary as a progressive. Bernie also has the trouble with being a guy with great ideas but still being an old dude and going on tangents that aren’t necessary to make his point. He is also not the best at inspiring in his speeches, not that they can’t be inspiring. Just that he’s not as Charismatic as Obama was. Someone like AOC though has the charisma down, has the ideas down, has the ability to talk like a normal person down, is young, and is able to use things like social media and be just as normal as anyone else.

Okay I see what you’re saying now. Yeah I think we are on the same page. It’s really all about persistence and progressives voting consistently. I was thinking more about how the movement he started didn’t continue on its pace, not necessarily that nothing he did mattered.

I also think the 2020 primaries is complicated in just that the moderates that dropped out weren’t polling super well anyway so them dropping out didn’t give Biden as much of a boost as much as just him being Biden. That said, Bernie should have been the candidate but not enough people voted for him in the primary to get that to happen. He also still faced the “He’s not a democrat” accusation which was a problem for him in both primaries he ran in. Again, if more progressives had come out to vote for Bernie, he would have won.

It’s all about voting in the primaries.

Started a Tea Party like movement? Or started saying we need one? Because he did not start one at all. If he had we would have Democrat voters coming out in primaries more, and kicking out establishment Dems more if they don’t adhere to the parties core beliefs. He may have wanted to start one back then, but it was a false start because people lost a lot of steam when he wasn’t the candidate. Sure there were a lot of progressives elected in the next midterm, but that should have been a continuing trend, instead of something that plateaus. The Left has lost steam with their movement because they don’t keep their eye on the ball, we get distracted with infighting and splitting our votes with third parties instead of relentlessly pursuing our goal of remaking the party, something the Tea Party movement did extremely well at.

Dunno if running in the Republican primary would be worth anything because Republican primaries are very MAGA and if you aren’t that then you won’t get the nom at all.

Dude should be saying we need our own tea party movement where we take over the Democrat party. Not that we need to fracture ourselves even more.

That said, I think there is an argument for independent runs in purely local politics in areas that only have Republicans run for things and have a hatred for Democrats they can’t seem to move past.

Regardless. Bernie should know how our system works by now, he should know that fracturing has and will always be a stupid idea that only removes power from the leftists and progressives in the country and then gives it to the Republicans. Which then makes the Democrats move right because the progressives have left the building. This is just fucking stupid on a non local politics scale and Bernie should know better.

Reminds me of the “protests” outside of E3 when the game Dantes Inferno was shown in 2010. EA thought it would be a great idea to just, hire a bunch of people to take a protest that played into the games themes. So they’d each be holding stuff about the 7 sins, layers of hell. All that shit. It was not a good strategy. Faking shit to win never is, even if it works once, it means it likely won’t ever again.

Ozma has attached an article you really need to read about the myths. But also, why are you bringing up trans women being able to get pregnant? Is that what you define as a biological woman? Because there are plenty of cis women who aren’t able to get pregnant. No one is saying trans women can get pregnant, until we have womb transplants that is. But right now? No one says trans women can get pregnant. But we do say that after hormones the differences between cis women and trans women really isn’t a big difference besides born with equipment.

Also your insistence with using “biological” instead of cis while still saying that you don’t think trans women should disappear really isn’t helping your case. Just use cis, what’s wrong with that? The term biological is being used by the right to invalidate trans women being women at all, cis is what they are. Just use that word.

Hey I’m curious, what do you think about the Democrats is “too far left”? Like actual policies because the article you linked lists 4 positions that aren’t a part of the parties platform and never have been.

Totally agree about their votes not being gettable. But they still always vote. They’re reliably going out there and doing their civic duty, not staying at home and complaining about policy. But if democrat voters reliably voted, they’d be catered to. Democrats need to always vote because not voting is not a punishment for anyone but ourselves by taking away any representation we have.

It’s both. The Republicans expect the Republican voters to come out and always vote and always vote Republican. Which they do. And the Republican voters expect the Republican representatives to adhere to their beliefs through the fear of the primary.

The problem is Democrats only have some of it. They have the democratic representatives expecting Democrats to always come out, but the voters don’t. Because of the democrat voters not coming out, because of them not putting the fear of the primary in the representatives, Democrats don’t have to adhere to their constituents as much as Republicans. If we want Democrats to cater to us, we need to both always come out in the primary and the general. But also force primaries to kick out Democrats who don’t follow the base. Because if we don’t always come out and vote, Democrats have to cater to the people who DO always come out and vote. Which are Republican voters.

Democrats have put forward voting reform laws that get rid of gerrymandering and citizen unity and have supported getting rid of insider trading for Congress members (although that one has less support). There hasn’t been the proportional voting reform put forward in Congress but the only party fighting for that on the state level is Democrats. Maine got it passed because of Democrats campaigning for it. So saying that Democrats wouldn’t do any of what I talked about is BS.