I’m surprised they haven’t had the Latino ICE drive a bus of deportees over and then not be let back in.

There aren’t many, and its up to us to support them where we can.

Not at all the same.

We need a cultural shift to the left. Part of that is going to be soc dem to get people a taste of what they are missing.

Too many people on Lemmy let perfect be the enemy of good.

The point is that its important to start somewhere. You don’t have to end where you start.

Worse yet is making perfect the enemy of good that happens around Lemmy.

Speaking about courage, Ben Shapiro is now able to enlist thanks to the new cap on age limits. Just putting that out there.

Dick was around for more than 10yrs.

Very close to the 67% milestone.

Must be a difficult time for the recent Hindu converts trying to join right now.

I am willing to believe that was not your intent, but you should take some self reflection of how your writing is being interpreted if that is the case.

Well, I guess I was wrong.

You framing the issues in terms of the CIA is dismissive of broader issues that these protest are taking on. By circling back to the CIA you are implicitly saying we don’t need to take this seriously its just the CIA. I am willing to believe that was not your intent, but you should take some self reflection of how your writing is being interpreted if that is the case.

Of course there are legitimate problems and real tensions. When the US wants regime change, it never starts from scratch. It always leverages whatever fissures already exist.

Moving the conversation to what the US wants and keeping it there is rather dismissive. What the US wants is irrelevant. There are real issues that have nothing with what the CIA may or may not want. Simply saying that the CIA is a destabilizing force is a way to dismiss constructive criticism of what Mexicans want out of their representatives.

Your writing and tone is rather dismissive. Maybe you should put your pride to the side and read about what I am saying that there is much more happening here than just the CIA

Notice that I wrote about a Mayor and a 43? Those are morphing into a catch all of all kinds of violence and government and socity inability to reform. Not all of that has anything to do with the CIA.

We deserve countries free from US interference.

We do. I am simply pointing out that my fellow lemms here are being dismissive of real issues by simply saying it is due to the CIA.

Well the article and your comments dismissing much of the social tensions and just skipping to foreign interference does make the tone of your writing as telling them that

I think you should re-read what I said and read what others are also saying on the matter.

There are a lot of reasons why mexican institutions are weak. Does that mean we should dismiss grievances at their lack of transparency and accountability as the CIA because Morena happens to be in power? Cartel violence has infact terrorized Mexicans for decades now and have killed many other politicians before as well. Mind you the killing of a mayor and feeling that Morena is soft on cartel violence are some of the grievances of these protests. You and the article are deflecting on this and trivializing the pain of those who live there as just another CIA op (which note that I never said the CIA wouldn’t try and do something in some chaos). It is rather patronizing that westerners on this comm are trying to dismiss the whole thing.

And I didn’t say they wouldn’t try to do something, but I am calling out for dismissing the issues of people who live there and trivializing their grievances as just the CIA.

Do you want to point out where I said the US might not try something? Did you read the part where I am explaining that people have some unresolved issues?

It is rather patronizing to have westerners tell others “thats not the problem you are having this is the real issue. You have no problems with the current admin just with the CIA”.

When the US wants regime change

And statements such as those are trivializing and minimizing what they are saying. The institutions in Mexico are very weak and Morena has not done that much to fortify them. They now have even more judicial and legislative power too. People feel the influence of cartels is still too strong and government accountability too low. People don’t talk about the 43 anymore, but I don’t remember any clouse coming from it. But the main point is that simply being dismissive and saying the CIA is behind this is lazy and gross. I don’t even doubt that they are there, but still there are real issues here.