With the cost of living soaring, a decent social life or a carefree existence have become a pipedream for many young people. As a result, the hospitality sector is being hit hard, and the ‘loneliness epidemic’ is intensifying.
Let’s consider that there are economic systems between balls to the wall capitalism as we see today, and a tankie unicorn land.
Capitalism is absolutely destroying everything it touches to make people with capital richer. This is undeniable and has been documented over and over again.
Let’s be dumb here : I’d rather have the proletariat profit from the destruction of the planet instead of a select few people.
The sole goal of capitalism is to make more capital for the capital holder. Everything that can be monetized will be monetized, and everything that can be monetized will be diluted and dismantled until only a carcass is left to be thrown on the street.
See my other comment, but you’re describing a Socialist ideal working as designed, but Capitalism off the rails as it was not designed. It’s not even a fair comparison.
Someone making an argument for a turd sandwich versus a turkey sandwich since it technically is still a sandwich by name is a foolish argument to prove a point because nobody is going to choose a turd sandwich.
It is a fair comparison. Capitalism by its base statement posits that everyone benefits when everyone acts selfishly for their own gain. That everyone has the same access to Capital and opportunity. All statements which are bullshit on the face of it. If there was ever a moment those statements were true it is not this current moment.
Now I’m not some inflexible ideologue. I acknowledge that ideals are ideal and not real. But I can be honest and acknowledge that Society working to make sure that everyone is relatively equal and has access to the same benefits is by nature much better ethos then gambling that some Invisible Hand of the market will be fair.
Capitalism is the root cause of a whole heap of major problems. Almost all of them in fact. I suppose you could go one further and settle on greed as the cause. But since capitalism is institutionalised greed, it still wouldn’t excuse capitalism even if you did.
Lol, right. So let’s break down this down since Communism has miserably failed every test and attempt it’s attempt at being used as a socioeconomic ideology:
Communism doesn’t stop greed.
Communism doesn’t stop exploitation of human labor.
Communism sure as hell doesn’t stop famine
So what you and this are article are saying is that all those previous failures of Communism wasn’t it’s fault, but rather…Capitalism? I’m not making a claim that Capitalism solves those same problems, but it at least doesn’t offer a more fluid movement inside an economic system. You would be a Serf under Communism with no ability to pick and choose what you’d like to do in said system. I won’t even get into the built-in ruling class bullshit it brings along.
Is this another one of those “Well if EVERYONE just used Communism, THEN it would totally work just fine!” arguments in its favor, is it?
Tbf, the approach of capitalism is to make a couple people an obscene amount of money at the expense of destroying the viability of the planet, and already includes serfdom baked in.
Also, other attempts at communism were immediately attacked as “it won’t work,” while the countries saying that implemented policies to ensure that it didn’t.
Its not a perfect solution, and ofc it may have failed on its own. But I’d argue that capitalism as its now maintained means you’ll get your comfort now at the expense of future generations.
That’s not true at all. You’re talking about a specific style of Capitalism that became rampant in the US, and has accelerated the greed, the class warfare, and the expense of future generations. Capitalism as an economic principal works pretty great in places that braces for the greed and corruption, and have guardrails to stop it from taking hold. There are also better social programs in those places.
Communism failed because of its own obtuse idealism which is sophomoric and stupid. If humans were inherently good and worked well together, we would even need economies, DUH.
I always enjoy when someone who has evidently never read anything about what actual socialists think stream-of-consciousness debunks socialism as if these sorts of ideas aren’t literally some of the first things Marx and Engles write about.
I have no idea what you’re thinking, nor do I care. You want to talk about the principle nature of things, here I am. Do not care for your slant on it. Your opinion isn’t special.
Edit: keep downvoting my past unrelated comments lol. Just like a Socialist 😂
Lol, right. So let’s break down this down since Communism has miserably failed every test and attempt it’s attempt at being used …
Interesting you should bring this up, because capitalism has failed every time, too. Communism has been tried, what three times? And capitalism about 300. So communism is winning on this front, in fact it’s 100 times more successful by comparison.
Yes, because capitalism is the dominant power structure in the world, and communism is one of its anathemas, communism has been suppressed and demonised at every opportunity. This is a historical fact. I don’t know if communism would work under different circumstances, but I’m certain it can’t work under the circumstances in which we have found ourselves since the second world war, circumstances which are hostile to communism. There’s a good chance that had it gone the other way, I would be here claiming communism is the root cause of most societal problems.
Capitalism is not intrinsically better than communism when you count oppression and unnecessary suffering and death as the metric.
Stanning for the status quo while we descend into late stage capitalism and people are being stripped of their economic and social freedoms like never before is a pretty awful stance. Look around you, the world is fucked. And the world is capitalist. The system does not work. Unless you’re a billionaire, you should have quite a lot to complain about.
Well if you’re describing the difference between social structures breaking down for different reasons which don’t solely apply to socioeconomics anyway. It’s one of the other. You’re hopes and dreams are that Communist ideals are more appropriate for the masses in general, but like I’m saying, the general principles of Capitalism aren’t what you’re describing, you’re specifically describing what you see right now in the US. You have a disconnect there you’re failing to reckon with.
I’d also state Communism has been tried a dozen times with a faster time to failure than capitalism.
Either way, the course humanity is on now is going to be something different if anyone is going to survive. Sure as shit won’t be Communism though.
Two things. First, I’m not pro-communist. I’m anti capitalist. There’s a subtle but really important difference. I can be against one system without being for another.
Secondly, I am able to apply the failings of capitalism to the system as a whole, by looking at its roots. I’m not from the USA and I’m not only looking at US capitalism. Capitalism is inherently exploitative, favouring people who own interest-accruing property over people who work. It favours the amassing of wealth, which necessarily comes at the cost of other people’s well-being and success. We see the outcome of this is that the people who are most rewarded by the system are the most inhumane, to the point where the top earners are outright sociopaths. The people who suffer are those who just try to get along. All of this is universal across all countries and interpretations of capitalism. The system rewards greed and unscrupulousness, and punishes compassion. It’s destructive at this stage because it is being allowed to run rampant, unchecked by any common sense. It’s ok in small doses, but the neoliberal consensus is global.
No. Communism has never been tried because leninism isn’t communism. Leninism was their big brained broken way of supposedly jump starting communism. Which failed miserably everywhere it was tried and never worked. Communism as actual communism has never been tried yet.
And that’s the thing to look at here. If this blog is written by a leninist/tankie whining about capitalism. They’re just being hypocrites. But if it’s actually being written by actual communist or anarcho communists. People should actually pay attention and listen. Because they actually do have points. However all things being equal and this being Lemmy. It’s probably just another tanky that would have their Vanguard party Slaughter us for disagreement.
You’re welcome to keep proving my point. I can’t stop you. I would rather you wouldn’t. I would rather you’d actually be curious and ask why I’m saying this. It’s obvious you cannot refute anything that was said. Otherwise you would have. Not knowing is not a sin. Refusing to know is.
WOW, do I find the extra humor in this coming from a blog called ‘The Communist’ 😂
Pretty sure “Capitalism” as a whole isn’t the root cause here.
Let’s consider that there are economic systems between balls to the wall capitalism as we see today, and a tankie unicorn land.
Capitalism is absolutely destroying everything it touches to make people with capital richer. This is undeniable and has been documented over and over again.
Let’s be dumb here : I’d rather have the proletariat profit from the destruction of the planet instead of a select few people.
The sole goal of capitalism is to make more capital for the capital holder. Everything that can be monetized will be monetized, and everything that can be monetized will be diluted and dismantled until only a carcass is left to be thrown on the street.
It’s literally an insatiable parasitic machine.
See my other comment, but you’re describing a Socialist ideal working as designed, but Capitalism off the rails as it was not designed. It’s not even a fair comparison.
Someone making an argument for a turd sandwich versus a turkey sandwich since it technically is still a sandwich by name is a foolish argument to prove a point because nobody is going to choose a turd sandwich.
It is a fair comparison. Capitalism by its base statement posits that everyone benefits when everyone acts selfishly for their own gain. That everyone has the same access to Capital and opportunity. All statements which are bullshit on the face of it. If there was ever a moment those statements were true it is not this current moment.
Now I’m not some inflexible ideologue. I acknowledge that ideals are ideal and not real. But I can be honest and acknowledge that Society working to make sure that everyone is relatively equal and has access to the same benefits is by nature much better ethos then gambling that some Invisible Hand of the market will be fair.
Capitalism is the root cause of a whole heap of major problems. Almost all of them in fact. I suppose you could go one further and settle on greed as the cause. But since capitalism is institutionalised greed, it still wouldn’t excuse capitalism even if you did.
Lol, right. So let’s break down this down since Communism has miserably failed every test and attempt it’s attempt at being used as a socioeconomic ideology:
So what you and this are article are saying is that all those previous failures of Communism wasn’t it’s fault, but rather…Capitalism? I’m not making a claim that Capitalism solves those same problems, but it at least doesn’t offer a more fluid movement inside an economic system. You would be a Serf under Communism with no ability to pick and choose what you’d like to do in said system. I won’t even get into the built-in ruling class bullshit it brings along.
Is this another one of those “Well if EVERYONE just used Communism, THEN it would totally work just fine!” arguments in its favor, is it?
Tbf, the approach of capitalism is to make a couple people an obscene amount of money at the expense of destroying the viability of the planet, and already includes serfdom baked in.
Also, other attempts at communism were immediately attacked as “it won’t work,” while the countries saying that implemented policies to ensure that it didn’t.
Its not a perfect solution, and ofc it may have failed on its own. But I’d argue that capitalism as its now maintained means you’ll get your comfort now at the expense of future generations.
That’s not true at all. You’re talking about a specific style of Capitalism that became rampant in the US, and has accelerated the greed, the class warfare, and the expense of future generations. Capitalism as an economic principal works pretty great in places that braces for the greed and corruption, and have guardrails to stop it from taking hold. There are also better social programs in those places.
Communism failed because of its own obtuse idealism which is sophomoric and stupid. If humans were inherently good and worked well together, we would even need economies, DUH.
I always enjoy when someone who has evidently never read anything about what actual socialists think stream-of-consciousness debunks socialism as if these sorts of ideas aren’t literally some of the first things Marx and Engles write about.
I have no idea what you’re thinking, nor do I care. You want to talk about the principle nature of things, here I am. Do not care for your slant on it. Your opinion isn’t special.
Edit: keep downvoting my past unrelated comments lol. Just like a Socialist 😂
Interesting you should bring this up, because capitalism has failed every time, too. Communism has been tried, what three times? And capitalism about 300. So communism is winning on this front, in fact it’s 100 times more successful by comparison.
Yes, because capitalism is the dominant power structure in the world, and communism is one of its anathemas, communism has been suppressed and demonised at every opportunity. This is a historical fact. I don’t know if communism would work under different circumstances, but I’m certain it can’t work under the circumstances in which we have found ourselves since the second world war, circumstances which are hostile to communism. There’s a good chance that had it gone the other way, I would be here claiming communism is the root cause of most societal problems.
Capitalism is not intrinsically better than communism when you count oppression and unnecessary suffering and death as the metric.
Stanning for the status quo while we descend into late stage capitalism and people are being stripped of their economic and social freedoms like never before is a pretty awful stance. Look around you, the world is fucked. And the world is capitalist. The system does not work. Unless you’re a billionaire, you should have quite a lot to complain about.
Well if you’re describing the difference between social structures breaking down for different reasons which don’t solely apply to socioeconomics anyway. It’s one of the other. You’re hopes and dreams are that Communist ideals are more appropriate for the masses in general, but like I’m saying, the general principles of Capitalism aren’t what you’re describing, you’re specifically describing what you see right now in the US. You have a disconnect there you’re failing to reckon with.
I’d also state Communism has been tried a dozen times with a faster time to failure than capitalism.
Either way, the course humanity is on now is going to be something different if anyone is going to survive. Sure as shit won’t be Communism though.
Two things. First, I’m not pro-communist. I’m anti capitalist. There’s a subtle but really important difference. I can be against one system without being for another.
Secondly, I am able to apply the failings of capitalism to the system as a whole, by looking at its roots. I’m not from the USA and I’m not only looking at US capitalism. Capitalism is inherently exploitative, favouring people who own interest-accruing property over people who work. It favours the amassing of wealth, which necessarily comes at the cost of other people’s well-being and success. We see the outcome of this is that the people who are most rewarded by the system are the most inhumane, to the point where the top earners are outright sociopaths. The people who suffer are those who just try to get along. All of this is universal across all countries and interpretations of capitalism. The system rewards greed and unscrupulousness, and punishes compassion. It’s destructive at this stage because it is being allowed to run rampant, unchecked by any common sense. It’s ok in small doses, but the neoliberal consensus is global.
They will tell you communism has never been tried because all those other times it wasn’t “real Communism”…
No. Communism has never been tried because leninism isn’t communism. Leninism was their big brained broken way of supposedly jump starting communism. Which failed miserably everywhere it was tried and never worked. Communism as actual communism has never been tried yet.
And that’s the thing to look at here. If this blog is written by a leninist/tankie whining about capitalism. They’re just being hypocrites. But if it’s actually being written by actual communist or anarcho communists. People should actually pay attention and listen. Because they actually do have points. However all things being equal and this being Lemmy. It’s probably just another tanky that would have their Vanguard party Slaughter us for disagreement.
Damn…that took all of a few minutes to jump in and say exactly what I said.
If that’s your excuse then “real capitalism” has never been tried either…lol
It doesn’t help that uneducated people like yourself make the statement. And dishonest people like tankies and give you reason to say it.
Lol ok sure thing buddy
You’re welcome to keep proving my point. I can’t stop you. I would rather you wouldn’t. I would rather you’d actually be curious and ask why I’m saying this. It’s obvious you cannot refute anything that was said. Otherwise you would have. Not knowing is not a sin. Refusing to know is.