Does the world’s richest man really believe that the West might be saved by the same sexual practices found in a Chinese imperial court?

Elon Musk allegedly has at least 14 children with four separate women.

Musk is also allegedly building a series of properties – a baby compound some are calling it – to house his various families.

“A collapsing birth rate is the biggest danger civilisation faces by far,” he tweeted in 2022. “There’s really no time like the present. Just have kids. You won’t be sorry. It’ll work out.”

If all these pronatalists want legions of children, perhaps it’s time they started being better fathers.

  • Boddhisatva@lemmy.world
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    discussion about family values and having babies is split into two extreme camps – the trad-wife Right and the “abolish the family” Left

    What is this nonsense? Assuming there even is an “abolish the family” left, it is so tiny and niche that I’ve never even heard of it. Certainly nothing as vocal and prevalent as the trad-wife people. I rather suspect that this author just had to find, or maybe make up, something so they could both-sides the topic and feel superior to everyone.

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      For conservatives, “family” is just a dog whistle for patriarchy. In other words, they’re just butthurt about womens’ lib and male heads of households not having absolute power to abuse their wife and kids.

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        Hey that’s not fair, it’s also a dogwhistle for homophobia. They’re butthurt about gay rights too lol

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      “Abolish the family” leftist here.

      This is really referring to the modern nuclear family, not the entire concept of family. It’s so strange how liberals can acknowledge It Takes a Village and then get mad when we take that to its logical conclusion i.e. extended village family and chosen family.

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        It takes a village means that everyone in the community should care about everyone else’s well being. It has nothing to do with nuclear of extended family. Your conclusion is not logical.

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          The saying is that it takes a village to raise a child. The nuclear family doesn’t work, you need so much more than a single set of parents.

          The nuclear family is a recent invention. It’s just a way to oppress women and atomize us as modern individuals.

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      The Left is typically critical of the “nuclear family” because most of us want the rest of the family back in the picture. It takes a village to raise kids and only in the last century or so has this notion of “two working parents can manage it” arisen.

      So we want to abolish the family by making our families bigger, with cousins etc playing more of a role in our lives than Western media typically portrays.

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        No the left is not critical of the “nuclear family”. The left more more typically feels that people should mind their own business about what other people feel is a family. If you want a traditional ma, pa, and kids family, that’s great, you do that. But if I want two dads and adopted kids, I should be able to do that too.

        we want to abolish the family by making our families bigger

        Yeah, that makes no sense at all.

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        Or to put a different spin on it, people on the left believe that just because someone is related by blood doesn’t actually make them your family. We believe strongly in found family - no matter what form that family comes in.

        This thought is an existential crisis for sexists, racists, and assholes of every type, because it teaches people that they are allowed to leave their abusers and find happiness outside of tradition.

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    Sorry.

    Go back to the 1960s. Ronald Reagan had divorced his first wife to marry a hot blond bimbo. People said that Conservatives would never elect such a wild rake. All Ronnie had to do was throw them some red meat and suddenly a Hollywood pretty boy who’d skipped WW2 became a Founding Father.

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      I got curious so I did some searching:

      Wyman divorced Reagan in 1949, Reagan married Nancy Davis in 1952

      So not entirely accurate to say he divorced his first wife to marry another (by some accounts, Wyman divorced him and moved on).

      That being said, fuck Reagan all the same.

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    “Family Values” is just a stand in for Anti-LGBTQ or even Anti-Interracial relationship. Like you see the words “family values” on dating profiles of conservatives below the “looking for” section, even on profiles of multi divorced people. Basically it’s just code for “only bigots apply”

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    The problem is you thinking it’s possible to reason with these voters. They howl family values but vote for rapists, pedophiles and convicts. Musk only started using his child after the killing of the POS exec, because now he has a human shield.

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      As if he’s brave enough to leave his house mansion fortress Soviet-chic bunker without a dozen goons sanitizing his environment.

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    Oh they’re just teeing up to bring back a particular modern revelation that was super epic and cool and not totally fucked up, weird, sick, depraved and entirely self serving to the personal desires of the few. Classic human shit to be honest. Genetics is gonna come back swinging hard on these dipshits thankfully it has a knack for correcting this sort of thing

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      In modern usage, the word “family” does not mean a group of people who share s common ancestor.

      Instead, it refers to one or more children and those adults who take full legal responsibility for raising and caring for them.

      If all Musk does is chuck money at his “baby mamas” but never actually spends any time caring for or speaking with or being a role model for his descendants, he’s not their father. He’s just a sperm donor with some money.

      (I don’t know if “carry them around as assassin deterrent” is enough to qualify. The only real people qualified to judge anyone’s parenting are the adults their children grow up to be.)