Top Trump official Stephen Miller’s recent declaration that anyone who “preaches hate for America” will face deportation has ignited alarm online, with critics warning the statement disregards First Amendment protections.
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Social media users and legal analysts raised immediate concerns, pointing out that expressing dissent or criticism of the government is protected under the First Amendment. Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.
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The backlash has reignited broader debates over the limits of free speech, especially as civil liberties fall under scrutiny. While immigration enforcement remains a core theme of President Donald Trump’s platform, critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller’s is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.
I’m really sick of these fucking Nazis.
A line has been crossed, especially if you’ve ever taken the oath of enlistment or office.
It is time to defend our constitution.
To quote our grandparents, the only good nazi is a dead nazi.
FUCK AMERICA FUCK TRUMP FUCK NAZIS FUCK ALL YOU SCUMBAGS COME AFTER ME
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt
They ARE traitors. Russian-backed, Nazi-seig-heil throwing traitors. They aren’t joking about wanting to jail liberals. They 100% mean it.
They’ve been prepped to be fine with it since they started calling “liberalism a mental disorder.”
Straight Russian propaganda. The Kremlin wants to stamp out western liberal democracy. MAGA’s the push to destroy America
In this context, “hate for America” really just means hate for Trump and MAGAs.
We really are deep into dear leader territory with the cabinet spending an hour jerking the president off instead of fixing the economy he drove off a cliff.
The whole party is a cult now. I got banned from the conservative subreddit just for asking - as a conservative myself - what conservative values they think a criminal like him is embodying. What exactly is he conserving? This man has cheated on all of his wives, is a racist, extremely egotistical, etc. He’s closer to the Antichrist than the second coming of Christ. His entire admin is just birds of a feather.
This is part of the issue.
That is the conservative platform and has been for as long as I’ve been alive, he is accurately representing them hence the lack of pushback.
That said yes he’s so very close to the anti Christ’s description it’s not even funny.
I don’t know you and I don’t want to judge or tell you what you are or sound like but from that description you’re more left of center then right.
It’s funny because “true conservatives” usually mean they are fiscally conservatives and if we look at Canada the most fiscally conservatives governments (i.e. the ones that ran the least deficits whole in power) are the ones on the left side of the political spectrum.
That tends to be the case in many countries because the left are under so much scrutiny they have to be very careful with budgets. The right, on the other hand, are given a pass to do all kinds of irresponsible things because they are assumed to be “fiscally responsible” and their supporters only want to hear them say “tax cut” a few times and they’re satisfied.
That and social programs are actually cost effective. Give access to education to people, they end up with better jobs and repay the investment via taxes. Give them access to healthcare, they can keep working instead of being disabled for life because they couldn’t get treatments. House them, they can find work.
For all their professed know-how with money, conservatives have never understood the idea of investing in society for a long-term return. They’re always very short-sighted.
currently conservatives, in most govt around the world, is mostly Right wing or ALT-RIGHT now.
I don’t know. Before Trump, the conservative platform was actually conservative - though of course there were extremist fringes. But Trump sparked a sudden transition to extreme nationalist populism, which validated and legitimized those fringes, making them mainstream. Now, that ideology is the de facto face of conservatism. It’s depressing. I’ve considered myself a conservative Democrat since the 2015-2016 election cycle.
You’re not wrong about “conservatism” undergoing a rapid metamorphosis in the past decade, but it was only possible in the first place because republicans put party before principle, and they’ve been doing that for a long time.
In the Bush era, how many times did the “party of small government” tell you it needed to restrict abortion, regulate marriage rights, wage a war on drugs, and expand the surveillance state? There was no rhyme or reason to any of it other than culture wars and security theater, and it certainly wasn’t part of some coherent conservative ideology.
sudden transition to extreme nationalist populism,
White nationalists terrorists down to like McVey were all conservatives for reason and it isn’t love and inclusion.
its because OBAMA broke thier minds, they couldnt handle a half-black, muslim was the POTUS.
The DINOS are in on it, but they cant come against the gop, for fear of getting primaried. we know for a while manchin and sinema are just 2 of the many Dinos in the senate, hence also the reason of the lack of pushback.
The conservative value he’s embodying is authoritarianism. That’s it; that’s what conservatism has always been ever since Burke and DeMaistre, who were literally monarchists, invented the concept.
I’m sorry that you got sold a lie, but what you thought conservatism was was never correct.
People today don’t know what conservatism is about. It is definitely left of today’s far right Republican party.
emulating russia, almost as if trump is getting his suggestions from putin, if not directly.
It can also mean disapproval of genocide, or having the wrong skin color, or speaking Spanish, or being gay or trans, or saying it’s OK to be gay or trans. Basically it means doing anything Nazis don’t like.
Millers head is a pretty good size for the Luigis in the world.
I legit hate this guy… Not America just this one dude.
This shit has me legitimately worried
Don’t worry, we’re promised communism when the US falls into a nightmare fascist surveillance state.
Not American but I hate the USA’s current administration. I am neither ashamed nor scared to say this. I presume this would be labeled as hate since I can’t see why their definition of “hate” wouldn’t be incredibly vague so as to hurt as many people as possible.
Fuck you Mr Miller. Fuck what you and yours are doing to my country. I hate it. I fucking dare you to deport me.
I hate America tbh have not stood for the anthem in over a decade.
I haven’t either. People are stupid because they wanted to lose all we have.
So we can’t criticize the country we were born and raised in without “wanting to lose all we have”? Sounds like some bootlicking bullshit to me.
Never said that. Just that you were stupid if you didn’t understand that there is a baby in the bathwater.
Yeah and Trump wants to deport it while it’s drowning.
I don’t, I just want to lose the Republicans. And the purists who would rather have Trump than support Harris. And people who Vape.
Some worried the administration was veering into an authoritarian territory.
Yeah no fucking shit. It has been happening since he got into office you fucking dipshits.
Wow, what a dumb thing to claim when you have surrounded yourself with “free speech absolutists”. They are going to lose it on him, right? …. Right?
Personally, I love this country. I fought for it. I will not bow to fascist twats such as this.
This nation was birthed in blood and has existed parasitically on the global south for over 250 years. It is a fascist ethno-nationalist state that exists only to consume and destroy.
The more history I learn, the more I am disgusted and horrified by the place I call home. Trump is exactly what this country deserves. If he brings the whole project crashing down, its no less than we all deserve.
The U.S. government is one thing. The people who live here are another.
We should never judge someone just because they were born in a certain country. Blaming people for where they come from is prejudice, plain and simple.
Yes, Americans can be frustrating. Many seem unaware of what their country does beyond its borders. Many have failed to demand change. But instead of writing them off, we should ask why that is.
The truth is, they’ve grown up inside one of the most powerful propaganda systems in history. From the moment they’re born, they’re fed myths about freedom, greatness, and endless growth—while being isolated, overworked, and misled. Their ignorance isn’t always a choice. Often, it’s something that’s been done to them.
So instead of condemning them, let’s choose compassion. Let’s challenge the system that raised them this way—and reach out to those willing to see through the lies.
Real change means building solidarity, not more division. Speak the truth. Share knowledge. Offer empathy. That’s how we turn a misled population into a powerful force for transformation.
We should never judge someone just because they were born in a certain country.
Broadly speaking, I agree. But at some point, we have to recognize the US government a corrupt extension of the American consumer culture. State agents, state media, and public-private partnerships that employ millions of people all operate to extract the wealth of occupied territories on pain of blockade, bombardment, sabotage, and assassination of popularly elected leadership.
This isn’t just “Donald Trump is a bad dude”. It’s multi-national industrial manufacturers, globe-spanning banks, and militarily-embedded data firms all operating as a unit to compel the entire globe to pay fealty to the US financial system. Trump just got greedy and squeezed way too hard.
The truth is, they’ve grown up inside one of the most powerful propaganda systems in history.
Propaganda is like rabbies. It turns nice people into slobbering monsters over a long enough exposure time. And then they spread it by biting their friends and neighbors, until the whole community is frothing. Its horrifying to witness and you feel pity for anyone subjected to infection. But you can’t just wave away a rabid dog as a victim. Neither can you wave away a QAnon cultist or a blood thirsty Zionist.
The good news is that nothing cuts through propaganda like material conditions. And while the Great Depression was shit for American quality of living, it worked wonders on American politics. Perhaps a downturn will awaken more Americans from the Individualist fantasy and reawaken the kind of mutual aid and community building that we so desperately need.
Real change means building solidarity, not more division.
Real change means finding people who can work with you and dedicating time and energy to build a new kind of organization. Right now, the only people with the luxury of time, capital, and resources to build movements are extremists on the right. And the reason they have that glut of resources is due to their blood-sucking grip on the rest of the planet.
One upshot of Trump’s tariffs is that he’s (unwittingly) cutting the Musks and Thiels and Dimons and Mercers off from the wellspring of dirt cheap foreign materials and domestic lumpen labor. That creates some opportunity for Americans who aren’t awash in blood money to begin organizing in earnest opposition.
You’re absolutely right to draw the distinction between criticizing systems of power and recognizing the ways those systems shape and limit ordinary people. The U.S. government, as it exists, is undeniably an imperial and extractive entity, and its global reach is felt through violence, finance, media, and tech alike. But that same system also crushes many of the people within its own borders—economically, intellectually, and spiritually.
The analogy to rabies is powerful but tricky. Yes, propaganda can infect people with hate, fear, and delusion. But if we begin to see our neighbors only as rabid dogs, we risk becoming cynical and cruel ourselves. A QAnon believer isn’t the same as a policymaker at the Fed or a war planner at the Pentagon. One is sickened by ideology; the other wields it with intent.
I fully agree that material conditions can break the spell—and that crises can clarify things. But that clarity won’t lead to solidarity unless we create the groundwork now. The far-right is already doing this—they’re building networks, feeding people, offering meaning. If we wait for collapse to act, we’re just ceding more ground.
The real task isn’t just to oppose the empire—it’s to build a counter-power that can replace it. That starts by reaching out to the people closest to us, even the ones we’re tempted to write off, and giving them something stronger than fear and conspiracy: a vision, a purpose, a role in something bigger.
We need to organize not just against, but for—for community, for care, for justice. And yeah, maybe even for a future where nobody needs to grow up inside a machine that trains them to be obedient or cruel. That’s a future worth fighting for
Yes, propaganda can infect people with hate, fear, and delusion. But if we begin to see our neighbors only as rabid dogs, we risk becoming cynical and cruel ourselves.
If we see them as misguided innocents, we’re going to be in for a rude awakening when they rat us out to the El Salvadorian kidnap vans. At some point, liberals need to recognize this isn’t a coffee-shop debate. It’s a matter of self-defense. Organizing means building networks of trust and support. That means taking people into confidence when they tell you their views on Palestine. That means locking arms with people who may not express the gender printed on their birth certificates. That may eventually extend to having a neighbor hide in your attic while you stare down the police. And if you’ve opened your front door to “I’m just following the law” / “They shouldn’t be here anyway” fash-curious centrists and conservatives, what kind of organization do you think you’re building?
The real task isn’t just to oppose the empire—it’s to build a counter-power that can replace it.
A counter-power that rises to the point of defiance of authority. That level of opposition requires real material support and genuine sincere trust. You don’t get that without some degree of ideological orthodoxy.
There’s a test I’ve discovered as a standard issue when a retail establishment is hiring. One of the questions you get asked is some variation of “Would it be wrong to take a single penny from the cash register if <insert compelling reason here>?” And if you answer “Yes”, you’re immediately disqualified for the job. This kind of ideological rigidity is common in the commercial sector because acknowledging certain fundamental standards is central to trusting the people you put in charge of your business resources. Expecting any less from an activist political organization is foolhardy.
Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.
Oh good, you’re finally awake. Let’s get you caught up on the last six months.
His first term was a shitshow.
Yeah, no, this term there’s a lot less kayfabe, a lot more actual speedrunning tyranny. Not to say that they weren’t angling at tyranny before, but it’s clear they learned their lessons and came back with a plan.
Or at least concepts of a plan
Nah, dude. Trump sounds like a fucking idiot, but he’s got a team of actual super villains working right underneath him.
I agree. I was just making reference to that quote of his from the debate or whatever.
Project 2025 laid all this out, but apparently he knew nothing about it
For us, yes. For Republicans, no. In Trump’s first term:
He stacked the Supreme Court in his favor (2 of the 3 he appointed helped steal the 2000 election for Bush)
He appointed a record number of federal judges (260, most of which come from the Federalist Society)
He reversed a CFPB rule that made it easier to file class action lawsuits against banks for fucking us over
He oversaw more federal executions of prisoners than any president in 120 years
He cut corporate tax rates from 35% to 21%, the lowest rate since 1939
He pulled the US out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and our spot was filled by ChinaThere is so much more that he got done which set the stage for what is happening now. For example, he tried to pass about two thirds of the Heritage Foundation’s ‘Mandate for Leadership’ policies in his first term, which is what inspired them to write ‘Project 2025’, another iteration of the Mandate on steroids.
The fact that Trump lost the election in 2020 is a total fluke, and it took a global pandemic that killed over a million Americans to make him lose.
His first term was far from a shit show in terms of making the current shit show possible.
“He stacked the Supreme Court in his favor (2 of the 3 he appointed helped steal the 2000 election for Bush)”
Fucking, what!?
Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh worked on the legal team for Bush in 2000, helping swing the case after the Brooks Brothers Riot.
guns. purge.
Nah, they got guns just for school shootings. /s
I love America… I fucking hate Trump, MAGA and the GOP.
Make America Free Again!!!
America gave you Trump, MAGA and the GOP.
But in his mind “Trump = America”
“Ope, looks like this guy hates America. Take him away boys.”
Fuck him.
With a rusty pipe. I preach hate for America, were the baddies. Come get me pussy.
