Lock. Them. Up.
Nothing on Hillary Clinton’s server was classified at the time it was put on the server. Some items were subsequently reclassified to the lowest level above Unclassified.
So there’s really no comparison between the two situations. It stinks of bothsidesism for the journalist to even mention it. A better contrast is between screeching outrage at nothing, versus the current sneering complacency about a major security fuck-up, though I’m sure it pales with what Trump is sharing with Russia and what he’s waving around in front of his cronies to brag about what he knows.
Nothing on Hillary Clinton’s server was classified at the time it was put on the server
Some items were subsequently reclassified to the lowest level above Unclassified.
Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.
So there’s really no comparison between the two situations.
I agree. I just wanted to correct the record and to highlight that a normal government employee would have been fired for what Hillary did.
Here we go with the “Democrats can do no wrong…” speech…
Ah, cool, another account to block.
Bye!
Blocking them doesn’t silence them, it’s just plugging your own ears. Call them out instead.
They want the attention. I have no interest in giving it to them.
Any government business should be conducted solely on government equipment, classified or unclassified. What the poster is saying is that the two don’t compare, what Hillary did was conduct government business on a private server, what the trump administration officials did was share sensitive compartmented information (SCI) on a private app.
Both actions were wrong, it’s just that revealing SCI information is far far worse.
Conservative hypocrisy knows no bounds. They will only be outraged at what their talking heads tell them to be outraged at.
Where is the accountability from the public? Every redneck 100 mi from me was screaming about her damn emails. They probably didn’t even understand why they were outraged, but the man on the FoX nEwS was angry about it so I am too. They say that the don’t trust the government for legitimate topics like vaccines, and taxes and then when the government gives you a huge reason to actually be concerned, it gets ignored
I’m not sure that pointing out the hypocrisy is even useful. I’m nearing 40 and “but it’s okay when we do it” has always been a core tenant of conservatism. They don’t give a shit that they’re hypocrites, they don’t care, I’ve boxed them in on it before and it always just boils down to “it’s okay for us because I said so”. I think it’s maybe more useful to move past the identification of hypocrisy and start engaging in conversations about accountability. That is, conversations about hypocrisy without conversations about what kind of accountability you’d like to see are moot. So, let’s move past “can you believe this shit? But her emails? Do you feel like the hypocrites you are yet?” to “your boy did something fucking stupid. I don’t care about your excuses, fire him.”
It’s almost like that party has no values and sees everything only through the lens of political leverage.
Summary:
- a journalist was invited
- half an hour before the first takeoff, the takeoff times of planes, drones and cruise missiles were shared
- it was mentioned that an individual terrorist is on sight and his location known
Sadly, none of them will be jailed, like a lay person would be for disclosing military secrets.
However, I would advocate for punishing them with having a mandatory nanny appointed to oversee them for 4 years.
According to Sun Tzus art of war, someone who is that stupid should be put to death.
Also the disappearing texts are a concern. There’s not much mention of that. And now you have to wonder, how many other conversations have been held there, and with who?
Disappearing texts?
Similar to WhatsApp you can set limits on how long to keep a message
It’s always Opposite Day with these clowns GOP. The blame finger is always pointing at them.
Shared military plans with a journalist on a private app.
lock them up!
I’m so tired of America letting the worst pieces of shit get away with anything. One side breaks the speed limit by 2mph and they’re euthanized. The other side rapes and kills all of Asia, and nothing happens.
The two sides you’re talking about is the rich vs the poor.
The rich get to do what they want because no one holds them accountable. The people that should be holding them accountable are corrupted by the endless money that the rich have.
The “people” could change this over night but the rich have us all divided.
If you want real change stop hating your neighbor and start banding together. That will never happen tho because the rich are winning this war.
Are you seriously trying to convince us that these fucking Nazis are our allies? If I were in a room with Bill Gates and a dirt poor Nazi and had a gun with one bullet, I’d shoot the Nazi.
No class solidarity with bigots. They do not get a seat at the table.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that these Nazis didn’t come about BECAUSE of rich people?
If so I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Don’t care. No solidarity with Nazis. No making friends, no compromise, no collaberating. Ever.
Congratulations on being daft.
EDIT: To be 1000% clear, they should not be using personal cell phones for this, which they probably did because everyone in this admin is braindead gutter trash. I’m suggesting that self-hosted Signal over government servers is probably fine for security with potentially some tweaks to the app. Something I neglected to think of however is that this sidesteps record keeping, and probably deliberately so. My contention here was solely about security, but this fact makes Signal use unconscionable in my book because it impedes accountability.
Okay, let’s just be clear here: Signal isn’t just another “private app”; the amount of information they have about your communications is zero (0) with the exception that I believe they can see if you have an account and the last time you connected to the server. Governments absolutely do rely on Signal. The Signal protocol is open and highly robust, the app code is FOSS and has eyes from a shitload of security researchers globally due to its importance, its server code is FOSS (although you don’t have to trust this due to the robust E2EE, and you can even self-host IIRC due to the FOSS server code), and it has reproducible builds.
This fuck-up was strictly due to the fact that they’re incompetent morons just randomly inviting people to group chats and shit with no guardrails. If I had to guess, they’d probably want to self-host the fork the Signal app and make it so that you can only invite people with some form of clearance, but this last thing is total speculation on my part. I’m sure there’s some way to sanely do this. The part about Signal being secure is just objectively true; it’s audited like absolute crazy, both the FOSS app and the protocol. I would trust it more than whatever the US government could homebrew, even.
If you, as a citizen, are looking for secure, private messaging, Signal should be at the very top of your list of possible candidates alongside Matrix, SimpleX, and Session (keep in mind that Element and Session do not yet support forward secrecy, although the Matrix protocol does).
Let’s also be clear: Signal, regardless of their encryption standards, is not an approved system for any kind of classified information. Leaks of this nature have the potential to cost people’s lives. Every single person in that group chat would have known this. Many of them have original classification authority.
Further, not only was the platform not approved for the information, the messages were set to disappear after some time. This is a violation of government record keeping laws and FOIA standards. This wasn’t an oopsie.
I mean we put a fox news anchor in charge, and if he’s even half as dumb as he looks, well that’s pretty fucking dumb. I doubt he understands, or if he does, doesn’t care. Just shameful. But hey, at least the libs are getting owned.
The mere fact it was possible to invite a random journalist to the chat is ridiculous. That shouldn’t be an option in a secure environment.
This fuck-up was strictly due to the fact that they’re incompetent morons just randomly inviting people to group chats and shit with no guardrails.
No.
These fuckwits were handling classified and top secret information in the open on their cell phones.
It doesn’t matter what specific app they used. This is not about the technology. You missed the point.
This is the same team of geniuses that kept classified files, some of which were mysteriously emptied of their contents, in the unlocked bedroom and bathroom of a members-only club in Florida, near the swimming pool whose water mysteriously destroyed all the surveillance video just when the FBI were about to look at it.
Not to mention that, in this case, the phone network was known to hacked and infiltrated by adversaries.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon
This hack included JD Vance’s phone who was part of this chat group.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-vance-hack.html
These peoples phones shouldn’t be considered any more secure than a public bathroom.
There’s been a few articles recently about Session authors starting with Signal protocol, and then continuing without clear understanding what they do, thus that Session shouldn’t be used.
Matrix is a compromise, it’s not as much about security as it is about just modern FOSS chat.
Matrix is a compromise, it’s not as much about security as it is about just modern FOSS chat.
Pray tell. Granted again that Element doesn’t yet support forward secrecy, but describe what you see as specifically wrong with Matrix, please.
but describe what you see as specifically wrong with Matrix, please.
Federated with huge load on servers. I’d prefer something like old Skype with auth servers part interacting via activitypub or something like that.
Do you see anything wrong with it security-wise? The wording of your previous comment has me confused where you fall on this.
Just that I haven’t heard of it being as praised as Signal, and since it appears to be intended for chat rooms more than for privacy, there’s natural suspicion that something is missed there.
I would trust it more than whatever the US government could homebrew, even.
The clowns in this administration, sure. But the NSA knows what they’re doing when it comes to cryptography.
And here several days later they are still trying to gaslight everyone into believing that it never happened.
Lock him up!
