It sounds like you’re basically saying competition is the problem. But competition has benefits and downsides; one of the downsides is tragedy of the commons, which I think is bad enough it warrants eliminating capitalism all by itself. You haven’t really provided a good argument that tragedy of the commons isn’t a real concern.
I don’t believe the death of capitalism is inevitable – that’s why we need to work hard to end it. (Edit: I guess we essentially agree, the difference is fatalism?)
I think the biggest issue here is that we aren’t really speaking on common ground. I’m a Marxist-Leninist, and can offer theory to show what that means but will put that aside for now.
The “tragedy of the commons” is not what you are using it to mean. You are referring to a lack of regulation as “tragedy of the commons,” which is not the correct usage of it.
Secondly, Capitalism erases its own foundations, it naturally centralizes and erases profit and competition, ergo it inevitably produces crisis and its own erasure.
I am correctly using tragedy of the commons. A well-understood solution to the tragedy of the commons is regulation. This is equivalent to saying a lack of regulation can cause the tragedy of the commons.
The tragedy of the commons is a general-purpose game theory concept. It applies any time there is a communal resource exploitable by multiple participants. In the abstract: any time you can do something for personal gain but for the detriment of everyone overall. Admittedly, in the case of unsafe dumping, the resource must be unintuitively defined as the cleanliness of the river or something like that, but the same principle applies as in the more clear-cut (heh) example of foresting.
(Wikipedia claims pollution is a “negative commons”; the theory still applies, but the resource is defined strangely.)
I feel we are getting into the weeds about something that doesn’t matter, ultimately, I still don’t know what identifying as an “authoritarian” or “totalitarian” even means.
I don’t really use those words tbh. I just think anarchism doesn’t account for how to solve the tragedy of the commons, so a global authority is needed.
It sounds like you’re basically saying competition is the problem. But competition has benefits and downsides; one of the downsides is tragedy of the commons, which I think is bad enough it warrants eliminating capitalism all by itself. You haven’t really provided a good argument that tragedy of the commons isn’t a real concern.
I don’t believe the death of capitalism is inevitable – that’s why we need to work hard to end it. (Edit: I guess we essentially agree, the difference is fatalism?)
I think the biggest issue here is that we aren’t really speaking on common ground. I’m a Marxist-Leninist, and can offer theory to show what that means but will put that aside for now.
The “tragedy of the commons” is not what you are using it to mean. You are referring to a lack of regulation as “tragedy of the commons,” which is not the correct usage of it.
Secondly, Capitalism erases its own foundations, it naturally centralizes and erases profit and competition, ergo it inevitably produces crisis and its own erasure.
I am correctly using tragedy of the commons. A well-understood solution to the tragedy of the commons is regulation. This is equivalent to saying a lack of regulation can cause the tragedy of the commons.
The tragedy of the commons is about random people misusing public goods, not corporations practicing unsafe dumping.
The tragedy of the commons is a general-purpose game theory concept. It applies any time there is a communal resource exploitable by multiple participants. In the abstract: any time you can do something for personal gain but for the detriment of everyone overall. Admittedly, in the case of unsafe dumping, the resource must be unintuitively defined as the cleanliness of the river or something like that, but the same principle applies as in the more clear-cut (heh) example of foresting.
(Wikipedia claims pollution is a “negative commons”; the theory still applies, but the resource is defined strangely.)
I feel we are getting into the weeds about something that doesn’t matter, ultimately, I still don’t know what identifying as an “authoritarian” or “totalitarian” even means.
What no reading does to a mf
Yea lol
I don’t really use those words tbh. I just think anarchism doesn’t account for how to solve the tragedy of the commons, so a global authority is needed.