It’s a good thing Kamala didn’t compromise on supporting genocide. Otherwise she might have won and fewer dead children would have been a real problem.
If she went hard against Israel, she’d have lost a lot of voters. This was before most people recognized that Israel really went off the deep end. And she would have lost a ton of funding that was needed for advertising to combat all the right wing bs and foreign interference that effectively got the likes of you to vote against her.
Who said anything about “going hard against Israel”? And it’s not like there’s a report that contradicts your claim, right?
You have no idea how I voted. Op suggested that people didn’t vote for her for trivial reasons, which trivialises the real documented reason of expressly supporting a genocide.
I guarantee you’re wrong about how I voted. And why are you moving the goal posts? Harris stated clearly that she wouldn’t change anything when dealing with Israel and she wanted to make Israel the most violent army in the world, so it’s very likely that the situation in Gaza and Lebanon would be very similar. It was already a disaster when Biden was president.
Look, we had pretty much a textbook trolley problem where it was objectively correct* to pick the track with fewer casualties. But now that the train has gone, we need to lay responsibility squarely with those who tied the casualties to the tracks in the first place.
(*One reason for choosing the other track was to give the democrats their own trolley problem, choosing between getting elected or leaving casualties on their track. And they chose the latter. Now we’re seeing more progressive candidates emerge so arguably it worked. Was it worth the cost? That’s harder to decide since we’d have to estimate the long term costs of a hypothetical scenario.)
But regardless of what the objectively correct choice was, belittling those who disagreed by trivialising their reasons or absolving the architects of the dilemma of responsibility is just wrong.
Look, I voted for Kamala because lesser evil > greater evil. That being said, she did express support for Israel through maintaining arms sales and military assistance.
Like, everyone recognizes that Kamala would have been marginally better than Trump. She still would have been a bad president, just not a bad president responsible for fucking the economy. Status quo and all that.
Yes she did express support for Isreal - but not for Isreal to commit genocide. You might think it was a genocide happening at the time, but most people then saw it as them fighting Hammas without taking enough care about civilians.
It was after Trump encouraged Netanyahu to wipe out all Palestinians, that things got significantly worse. I don’t think Harris would have encouraged genocide. I think she would have even pushed back somewhat against human right violations eventually.
She would have pushed back when it was politically convenient, if it became politically convenient.
I worked for the DoJ under her. The corruption was there before her and got worse under her. She is not the saint you, for some reason, think she is. An important thing to keep in mind is that simply because they’ve been demonized by the right does not somehow make them a good person.
No, she’s not a saint. She’s a politician, and a high ranking one. The only way to get there is to be a backstabbing asshole. And yes, she would have pushed back on Israel if and only if it became a politically good move - which it is now. So that’s exactly the point, she would be pushing back now. Which is much better than what Trump is doing. I know life wouldn’t be cupcakes and roses under Harris, just a lot better than under Trump. And that was the choice at the last election which too many Americans idiotically didn’t see and are to blame for Trump if they failed to vote for Harris. That’s my only point. That, and the related importance of not fucking up again in future elections because a Democrat isn’t perfect enough.
So she had to support genocide because otherwise people like me would have found some other way to attack her? Do you have any basis for that assertion? Again, you don’t know how I voted.
I only posted because your post shows you think thousands of dead children is trivial compared to Trump putting his name on a monument.
And what are you claiming that Trump done at that point that was beyond that Israel?
He was determined by courts to be a rapist (E Jean carroll) before the election.
He had MANY other rape allegations against him
He claimed foreigners were “eating dogs and cats” (which was clearly BS)
I’d argue that a guy who was determined to be a rapist by courts, convicted of tax fraud, suspected of being a pedophile, attempted to overthrow the government is worse. It doesn’t even matter where you stand on the israel issue. This guy preys on women. Kamala was wrong for supporting israel imho, but, the two aren’t even remotely in the same ballpark. Trump is pure evil and has always been
If he qualified for the military, he’d be the first to commit war crimes (which he’s now doing), and attacking civilians (which he did do)
And your list still pales in comparison to what Israel had already done by that point.
Of course Trump is far worse, I’ve never said otherwise. At least you agree that Kamala was wrong to supporting Israel, which is very different than your original post.
It’s a good thing Kamala didn’t compromise on supporting genocide. Otherwise she might have won and fewer dead children would have been a real problem.
If she went hard against Israel, she’d have lost a lot of voters. This was before most people recognized that Israel really went off the deep end. And she would have lost a ton of funding that was needed for advertising to combat all the right wing bs and foreign interference that effectively got the likes of you to vote against her.
Who said anything about “going hard against Israel”? And it’s not like there’s a report that contradicts your claim, right?
You have no idea how I voted. Op suggested that people didn’t vote for her for trivial reasons, which trivialises the real documented reason of expressly supporting a genocide.
We can make an educated guess. Thank goodness for Gazans (and Lebanese) that Harris didn’t become president. That would have been a disaster!
I guarantee you’re wrong about how I voted. And why are you moving the goal posts? Harris stated clearly that she wouldn’t change anything when dealing with Israel and she wanted to make Israel the most violent army in the world, so it’s very likely that the situation in Gaza and Lebanon would be very similar. It was already a disaster when Biden was president.
lmao. People don’t take you seriously because you say shit like this.
You’re right about that one phrase, I mixed it up with something else. She did state that she would continue to support arming Israel unconditionally.
Everything else I said still stands, and you haven’t addressed any of it.
OK well Harris sucks but there were only two horsies in the race. Did you vote strategically for the objectively better candidate?
Yes.
Look, we had pretty much a textbook trolley problem where it was objectively correct* to pick the track with fewer casualties. But now that the train has gone, we need to lay responsibility squarely with those who tied the casualties to the tracks in the first place.
(*One reason for choosing the other track was to give the democrats their own trolley problem, choosing between getting elected or leaving casualties on their track. And they chose the latter. Now we’re seeing more progressive candidates emerge so arguably it worked. Was it worth the cost? That’s harder to decide since we’d have to estimate the long term costs of a hypothetical scenario.)
But regardless of what the objectively correct choice was, belittling those who disagreed by trivialising their reasons or absolving the architects of the dilemma of responsibility is just wrong.
She expressly supported a genocide - really? Got a link for that?
Look, I voted for Kamala because lesser evil > greater evil. That being said, she did express support for Israel through maintaining arms sales and military assistance.
Like, everyone recognizes that Kamala would have been marginally better than Trump. She still would have been a bad president, just not a bad president responsible for fucking the economy. Status quo and all that.
Yes she did express support for Isreal - but not for Isreal to commit genocide. You might think it was a genocide happening at the time, but most people then saw it as them fighting Hammas without taking enough care about civilians.
It was after Trump encouraged Netanyahu to wipe out all Palestinians, that things got significantly worse. I don’t think Harris would have encouraged genocide. I think she would have even pushed back somewhat against human right violations eventually.
She would have pushed back when it was politically convenient, if it became politically convenient.
I worked for the DoJ under her. The corruption was there before her and got worse under her. She is not the saint you, for some reason, think she is. An important thing to keep in mind is that simply because they’ve been demonized by the right does not somehow make them a good person.
Case in point: Gavin Newsom.
No, she’s not a saint. She’s a politician, and a high ranking one. The only way to get there is to be a backstabbing asshole. And yes, she would have pushed back on Israel if and only if it became a politically good move - which it is now. So that’s exactly the point, she would be pushing back now. Which is much better than what Trump is doing. I know life wouldn’t be cupcakes and roses under Harris, just a lot better than under Trump. And that was the choice at the last election which too many Americans idiotically didn’t see and are to blame for Trump if they failed to vote for Harris. That’s my only point. That, and the related importance of not fucking up again in future elections because a Democrat isn’t perfect enough.
Let’s cut the BS. People like you no doubt would have simply found some other way to attack her…
She spent lose because of Israel. She lost because of people like you
Trump had already done so many disgusting things already at that point that were well beyond israel
So she had to support genocide because otherwise people like me would have found some other way to attack her? Do you have any basis for that assertion? Again, you don’t know how I voted.
I only posted because your post shows you think thousands of dead children is trivial compared to Trump putting his name on a monument.
And what are you claiming that Trump done at that point that was beyond that Israel?
I’d argue that a guy who was determined to be a rapist by courts, convicted of tax fraud, suspected of being a pedophile, attempted to overthrow the government is worse. It doesn’t even matter where you stand on the israel issue. This guy preys on women. Kamala was wrong for supporting israel imho, but, the two aren’t even remotely in the same ballpark. Trump is pure evil and has always been
If he qualified for the military, he’d be the first to commit war crimes (which he’s now doing), and attacking civilians (which he did do)
You didn’t answer my first point at all.
And your list still pales in comparison to what Israel had already done by that point.
Of course Trump is far worse, I’ve never said otherwise. At least you agree that Kamala was wrong to supporting Israel, which is very different than your original post.