Friday’s appeals court ruling in the New Jersey case goes further than a July 2024 ruling from a federal judge, who said that the state’s ban on AR-15s specifically was unconstitutional but upheld the provision barring larger magazines.
The third US circuit court of appeals said on Friday in its opinion that the state’s ban on all semiautomatic rifles it deems to be “assault firearms” and its restriction on “large capacity ammunition magazines” were unconstitutional.
New Jersey’s attorney general, Jennifer Davenport, a Democrat whose office defended the law, told the Associated Press that the decision is “as unfortunate as it is legally incorrect”.
“Gotta maximize the body count of school children”
-These judges, probably
I, for one, am stoked about the renewed opportunity to buy (or make) more effective weapons for fighting fascists with.
Glad that the constitution still matters.
Now let’s add the worker’s bill of rights to the constitution so that the material conditions of society are improved and mass shootings are even less common, and suicides decrease.
Sure, except for Article 2 or amendments 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 10, 15, or 25
It’d be hilarious if a bunch of black people, lgbtq and immigrants started picking these up in droves and then they suddenly revisited this topic.
Gun control has often been enacted for racist reasons. Yet one more reason to be excited the rights of the people were upheld today.
Gun bans started when thr Black Panthers armed up and patrolled their neighborhoods to protect people from cops.
You share values of banning minorities from owning firearms with racist haters? Telling on yourself here…
Not exactly as I’m a gun owning bi brown guy.
“Gotta maximize the body count of school children”-These jusges, probably
“Because bans on AR-15s magically stopped school shootings in the U.S.”
- Pro fascism Bootlickers, probably
“Because bans on AR-15s magically stopped school shootings in the U.S.”
Pro fascism Bootlickers, probably
Yep! The fact we live in a society that makes stuff like this relatable because of how prominent this situation is means trying to impliment reasonable gun-control makes people pro-fascism. Gun violence inflicted on children is clearly a sign of a healthy society. After all, the rest of the world’s statistics are comparable.
/s in case it wasn’t obvious
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Go on then. Go buy these automatic rifles and fight fascism.
Oh right, you wont. Youre a pathetic naysaying coward hiding in a basement complaining about ‘muh freedoms’ when children are mowed down.
So pathetic.
Why is the difference between “automatic” and “semi-automatic” such a difficult concept to grasp for you people?
I get that you like to lick boots but please get fucking educated. These are not automatic rifles…
I’d be fine with this if the people responsible for these guaranteed future outcomes were held to account. Until we have a justice system that reflects fair penalties on poor leadership, we’re fucked.
Ok, 2a people that enjoy this access to tools that can spray bullets, how can we stop the mass killings with firearms? Because I’m ok with letting you have your toys if you can solve that problem.
- Target gangs holistically. Change drug laws to limit their income potential. Target all levels for prosecution rather than primarily the top.
- Overhaul mental health laws. This is pretty hard to do. It needs to be easier to get someone committed against their will than it currently is, but it also needs to be possible to recover rights after being committed. The institutions that used to do this need to be recreated with better safeguards against abuse of patients.
- Increase exposure to guns at pretty much every age. This is more about accidental shootings. Handling guns in a safe environment reduces the curiosity if kids find one, shooting classes age junior high or high school age would also help reinforce this.
- Reduce gun free zones or require places that ban guns to accept security liability.
- Enforce existing laws, a significant number of shootings have warnings that were ignored by negligent or apathetic administrators or police. Both taking actions that are generally available and legal now, and ensuring accountability for failures would help.
The fact that you never once said “attack poverty since its reduction directly and drastically drops crime rates and improves mental health conditions” is pretty telling. Always about reactive punishment with you weirdos, never about proactive targetting of the underlying issues, and certainly never in any of the ways that we’ve seen to be actually helpful and productive.
I used to have my license here in Canada, I think guns are really cool and a day on the range is lovely, but they aren’t at all worth the damage and lives lost. Most people who really want them use the same kinda logic as I did when I was a child to try to get my mom to buy me a Wii, thinking I was clever.
At least point 5 is on the money, even if 3 and 4 are insane.
The government has tried to eliminate poverty since the 60s there hasn’t been meaningful gains in my lifetime despite increasing efforts.
Which world government has actually attempted to end poverty but then failed spontaneously without undermining the goal?
In the US all success stories that actually address poverty are super small in scale, or cut as soon as some private well-connected business can redirect public funds to their private accounts. For example the constant “welfare reforms” that have been passed over the years and of course the limiting of social security and various food assistance. Healthcare in the form of medicare is constantly redirected for administration costs of private care providers that have record profits since covid.
I’m sorry, did you just say that the US government has been putting real effort into eliminating poverty?
What an incredibly stupid thing to say. Absolutely mind-boggling, though you probably didn’t notice as there’s clearly not much of a mind to boggle in that nigh empty cavity betwixt your ears.
Sure they’ve tried touching more and more people into poverty.
Hard pass. You think access to guns trumps someone’s right to freedom? That’s crazy to me.
Access to guns is part of that right to freedom in the US. None of what I listed infringes on someone else’s freedom.
Forced institution is against ones fourth amendment rights. Which is what you advocated for as a solution.
It’s a necessary evil, and it shouldn’t be indefinite or a permanent black mark. It’s definitely a difficult line. The current laws are too restrictive that warning signs can’t be acted upon until it’s too late. Previous laws were far to easy to get someone committed indefinitely with no oversight. We can get closer to a better balance where a 24-72 hour hold could actually be done before someone is holding a gun at a mall or a school. That hold could also be completely sealed so no one could use it against a person.
Ok, well banning guns is a necessary evil then too
Sounds great, but all drugs should be legal and regulated
Like every civilized country does. Limit who can get lead dispensers (gun law knowledge test, practical exam, psych eval, etc.) and making owners responsible for securing them. Most shootings happen with stolen or otherwise illegal hole punchers (either child from parents or just stolen, e.g. from car). Where I live, you could get jail time for leaving a gun unsupervised in a car or not locked in your home. Or at least would never be allowed to own one again.
But the courts struck that down as well and there is basically no hope of fixing this shit, e.g. via constitutional amendment, cause too many people are busy pushing laws that only harass lawful owners like assault rifle bans (newsflash, a shotgun kills kids just as good as an AR) and many people on the 2A side are now in defense mode instinctively pushing back on any gun laws, even reasonable ones.
Just wish people on the 2A side would actually doing something with it, even if it was just showing up to protests in numbers à la Black Panthers. All it’s done, from this outside perspective, is allow a huge number of people to cosplay as rugged militia rebels but who, far more often than not, just end up sucking boot for their nearest tyrant.
Well, yes. Though do remember that the bootlickers are selection bias. They show up cause they are unlikely to face consequences. There probably are plenty of 2A people who hate the current situation but are not willing to risk the consequences of loosing their life/freedom over it yet. At least I really hope there are.
In many states, AR-15s are classified as assault weapons, a legal term used to describe guns that lawmakers determine are meant to be used offensively rather than defensively, based on characteristics such as magazine capacity and the size of the weapon.
This excerpt right here tells me all I need to know. The state holds the right to decide what can be used “offensively and defensively”. Defeats the entire purpose of the 2nd amendment and they were 100% correct to strike this down. They should be limiting modifications designed to kill large numbers of people like extended mags and switches. The AR-15 is a semiautomatic rifle and in my opinion doesn’t fit the bill.
Good. Hopefully Illinois will follow
And Washington and California.
They will. Such laws are being struck down all over the country.
It’s amazing how many people are OK with their state government wasting money and infringing people’s rights with blatantly unconstitutional laws like these that ban arms in common use.
Normally I would support reasonable gun bans, but currently the Illinois ban just leaves its citizens woefully under armed in the event they need to defend themselves from federal overreach.
We should be able to arm ourselves as well as our enemy does.
Ah! So, there aren’t enough children being murdered in schools in Illinois? You must think that we need to have more dead children.
We need to suspend every right, it’s for the children!
Seriously though. The government infringing on civil rights is not OK and I’m damn happy the courts have upheld the rights of the people today.
I am merely making the point as to limiting killing capacity.
But once again I feel like all of those restrictions are going to just get tossed on 2a grounds. I guess I just fail to see people that are responsible owners fighting to keep it responsible. If the 2a crowd can’t figure this out then I’m in the ban them all camp.
Honestly, I respect that stance more than I respect the folks with a dozen half-assed definitions and assorted conditions on what people should or should not own.
I disagree with it, but I respect it.
I’m in the ban them all camp
The truth comes out. Isnt it easy to be honest with your intentions?
Sorry you couldn’t pick that up. But yea, if we can’t figure out a way to let you keep your gun while minimizing mass shootings then yea, we should ban them all.
That’s kind of weird don’t you think? Mass Shootings are already a rare thing, so how much minimization would you want before you are willing to “let” people have their constitutional rights. Would you apply this logic to other things that are not constitutionally protected? For example how many deaths are acceptable before you decide not to “let” people live in car dependent hell-scapes?
I think supposedly “responsible” gun owners wanting weapons they have no earthly need for, is weird.
You think laws shouldn’t be rationalized just because they’re old?
Are we living in a different country? Mass shootings happen daily and sometimes more then once a day.
Don’t like guns? Don’t own one.
Dont like drugs? Don’t take them.
Don’t like abortion? Don’t get one.
Dont like religion? Dont worship one.
Don’t like guns? Don’t own one.
How does my not owning a gun relate to my kid at school when their school is getting shot up by a third party with an AR15?
The reason they don’t want gun bans despite children being murdered in school is because they want parents afraid of a public education. They want education only for those that can afford a private school and all the security it can afford. It is the only logical conclusion as to why we are doing absolute nothing about this.
They don’t want to improve the material conditions that create mass shooters and gang violence. They don’t want to fund mental healthcare. They don’t want to do anything other than sit back, rake in billions, and watch the peasants kill each other over scraps, or go insane and blow away a school full of other working class children. It’s a disgrace.
