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      Per the article:

      But because many anti-cheat apps still aren’t compatible with Linux (hence, SteamOS), installing Windows on Steam hardware is currently the only way that gamers can enjoy titles that require them.

      So it looks like Valve is at least giving tools for running Windows on their hardware for those that really really want that kernel level malware, I mean anti-cheat, to play a certain game.

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        I was talking to a couple of people about my positive experience faming on Linux since I switched recently, and one of them seemed really interested since he hates Windows.

        The other guy mentioned “But some games still don’t work. Certain multiplayer games have kernel-level anti-cheat that doesn’t work on linux.” and I saw the first guy visibly lose interest even though I would have bet money he was going to actually try linux before. So I asked him “Do you play competitive multiplayer games?” “No, not really.”

        The fact that linux can’t run every game is apparently a turn-off for some people, even if they aren’t games they want to play.

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          The thing is that people don’t want to get that new game that that seems so fun to find out that it doesn’t actually work. Other games not working is seen as a sign of potential future trouble.

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            The same people will generally accept that a ps4 game won’t play on an xbox etc. So it is a bit odd.

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              That’s a bad analogy because 99% of the games that people play on steam machines will be Windows games, not Linux games. It’s an issue when you don’t know if a steam game will work on a steam machines, or any other PC game won’t work on your pc.

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                  It is when the reason they don’t work on Linux is because it doesn’t support kernel level anti-cheat.

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                I mean, it’s pretty easy to know. They have an icon directly next to the game that says what it works on.
                You have just as much knowledge about if it’ll work as you do based on hardware requirements. Which is to say “none, unless you look at the place where they tell you”.

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        Ironically, this is the way to do that. If you want to be more secure you only use Windows for those particular games and nothing else.

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          If I had to give up everything that doesn’t work on Linux, I wouldn’t bother having a computer. FOSS is commie garbage.

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            Are you a shitty bot or just a shitty troll? Every webservice you use is based on free/open software, without it you would be getting all the speed an reliability of Windows ME from your doom scrolling.

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              Are you a dumb dumb or an idiot? Web serving is one of the simplest jobs a computer can have. -Why wouldn’t they choose the cheapest option? Wow… gonna block you because arguing with an idiot is a waste of time.

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      Unfortunately some games don’t run on Linux, my fav apex legends doesn’t. If I had the disposable income to grab one of these I’d at least be dual booting…

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          Oh when did proton let you play GTA Online? Call of Duty? Warzone? Battlefield 6? Fortnite? Apex? PUBG?

          Did I miss proton getting kernel level anti-cheat? Do you even know what proton is? The difference between proton and steamOS?

          Maybe delete this comment of yours too and try again. Third times the charm maybe? The first time you misread what I said, the second time you’ve misunderstood why these games don’t work on steamOS. Maybe next time you’ll get it.

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            We’re sorry that youve only had experience with games that run micro transactions and brain rot. You could try better games and don’t just fall in with the 16 year olds playing cod 74. Unless you are 16…

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              Where did I say I play them?

              Good try to gatekeep and try and feel superior though.

              It’s insane how much the hardcore Linux community seems to be Linux adoption rates worst enemy. Should we want Linux to get features that will remove the single biggest reason why hundreds of millions of people will never switch to Linux for gaming? No, because we need to pretend we’re superior by only playing unpopular games.

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                I’m not hardcore Linux, I’m anti privacy invasive software. Privacy is already at war, why are we feeding all our data to AI bullshit?

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            GTA Online? Call of Duty? Warzone? Battlefield 6? Fortnite? Apex? PUBG?

            Ironically, those are all games that I did not want to play when using windows either.

            Every new game that came out in 2026 that I actually wanted to play does work on Linux with Proton.

            The age of Windows is a PC gaming monopoly is definately coming to an end.

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              Look you can pretend that you don’t care about the most popular games in the world, but you are the minority. SteamOS will not get big until it supports them.

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            Did I miss proton getting kernel level anti-cheat?

            Let me get this straight, you want to install windows on steam machine to install malware on it? Windows users have really weird kinks.

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                It isn’t malware by design, but too much power and corruption and even the idea someone could access it from something like this is bizarre. Why you’re defending it, I don’t know.

                Look at flock cameras. The idea to find a missing child or someone in trouble instantly is great, until police start using access to stalk women and their exes.

                Monroe County, Florida: Deputy Lamar Roman used an ALPR system to track and pull over a woman he met while working security on a TV set.

                Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Former Officer Josue Ayala was criminally charged and resigned after he illegally tracked his ex-girlfriend and her new partner’s vehicles nearly 180 times. Another Milwaukee officer, Detective Chapman, was also criminally charged for using the Flock system to track a woman and placing a GPS device on her vehicle.

                Software having kernel-level (Ring 0) access presents significant security and privacy risks, as it bypasses the operating system’s built-in memory isolation. This level of access grants applications unfettered control over the system, meaning any vulnerability can be exploited to compromise credentials, hijack hardware, or cause system-wide crashes.

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        Which “most played most popular” games would that be?

        You mean Baldur’s Gate 3? Well, that one runs just fine on Linux. Also has a Linux native build.

        CS:GO 2? Also a Linux native build.

        DOTA 2? Runs perfectly fine.

        Terraria? Linux native.

        Palworld? Runs great. Even on Steam Deck.

        The Binding of Isaac Rebirth? Linux native.

        I’m sure you’re getting the idea. The only ones that didn’t work at all or not as good on Linux are PUBG and Marvel Rivals.

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          Fortnite.

          Roblox.

          Warzone.

          Battlefield 6.

          Call of Duty.

          Apex Legends.

          Those work well on Linux?

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            Almost all of these games are dogshit. As for the rest, want kernel access because you’re a shitty corporation? Fuck off. I’ll opt for security rather than bend over for a corporation to do what the fuck ever. I find it entertaining you came on Lemmy to fight this fight lol

            Everyone here (99% probably) hates fucking windows. For excellent reasons. Cry about it and tout your shit games all you want, windows will still be shit.

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              Everyone here (99% probably) thinks communism is the best and just hasn’t been done right yet, so I really don’t care lol.

              You’re actively arguing against Linux becoming a legitimate gaming OS threat to windows. As a Linux lover and windows hater. Amazing.

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                so I really don’t care

                Pretty simple then, leave, you aren’t welcome here.

                Last two sentences are deranged.

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                Everyone here (99% probably) thinks communism is the best and just hasn’t been done right yet

                Stop hanging out with tankies.

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            Really? Well let’s analyse that then.

            Fortnite; blocked by anti-cheat. Otherwise runs nicely. Fuck epic games. Besides, only children who don’t know any better play Fortnite.

            Roblox; runs using the Sober client. Better than on windows, according to most Linux players.

            Warzone; There are a couple of games called “Warzone”, but if you’re talking about Call of Duty Warzone, the it’s not even in the top 50 games played… And that’s for Call of Duty as a whole. Warzone specifically doesn’t even have an entry in the SteamDB charts top 100 most played games.

            Battlefield 6; Eeeyyy, actually a game that’s within the top 50 played games on Steam. Too bad it’s still out-done by Terraria, Cyberpunk 2077, and the likes of Gramblue Fantasy. Yeah, you know, nobody on Linux is missing this one.

            Call of Duty; Which one? As in the whole franchise? Yeah, the franchise as a whole doesn’t even make it in the top 50, like I said before. However, most Call of Duty games are just playable on Linux so… Unless you mean something specific, this one is just wrong.

            Apex Legends; used to run on Linux, but then EA did a rug pull. So you’re blaming that ln who? Linux, or EA?

            Anyway, let’s do a recap. Out of the 6 games you mentioned only 3 have are actually popular (Fortnite, Roblox, and Apex Legends), the others coming nowhere near top 10, or even top 40, with ONE that is in the low 40s (Battlefield 6).

            Discarding the other ones as unpopular trash most people don’t play anyway, that leaves us with 2 out of 3 popular games that don’t run on Linux.

            From the ones you mentioned, that is.

            In the top 10 currently played games on Steam, only ONE is unplayable on Linux. Apex Legends. And it used to play on Linux just fine.

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              You clown. Those games aren’t in the top 50 cause no one plays them on steam. Other clients exist. Other platforms exist. Warzone has more player per day than any game on steam. Same with Fortnite.

              Roblox doesn’t run better on Linux via sober than on Windows lol. How would any Linux player know?

              You guys think steam is the entire world.

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                You guys think steam is the entire world.

                On PC it might as well be, so as a reminder…

                Those games aren’t in the top 50 cause no one plays them on steam.

                … We’re talking about PC here. Nobody gives a shit if they happen to be on console too (which aren’t windows either).

                Anyway, nice gif, but nobody asked you to do a face reveal.

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                  I’m talking about PC too for most of the games. There are lots of people playing them on PC, just not on steam.

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    Microsoft has done the same thing for years. They provide software, drivers and workarounds for unsupported scenarios while making it clear they won’t provide full support. Seems fair.

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    Those plucky Windows users love to hack hardware to get their niche software running. Good for them.

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    It’s not the OS they planned on working with for the Steam Deck. It’s nice they supplied drivers at all for those who chose to do so.

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      Say more. I need to convince my friend to do this. I just bought a Steam deck after seeing his garbage os (for a handheld at least). Love to hear more about how it’s working for ya? Especially if you have any frame of reference between it and Steam deck performance first hand.

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        Well. As an example, no man’s sky ran worse in windows. I also hated their armoury application

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        Better battery life, for one. Less background processes. There’s also a big performance difference between a general purpose OS and one specifically designed for a device.

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    Other than the broad “Microsoft hate” people is thinking about, there are two reason I can think about; and none about Gaben being a Microsoft’s scorned ex-employer.

    1. conflict of interest: Microsoft’s EEE. Look it up. If they rule the OS on which majority of Steam Hardware work on, Microsoft rules on a competitors against it’s “Xbox experience”.
    2. Microsoft doesn’t allow open source drivers to officially run on Windows. Any hardware driver must be done, paid, by close doors at Valve and no extra help as the whole community around mesa and affiliated. There’s a reason why Valve is skipping Nvidia on basically everything.
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      It was never supported, ever, it has drivers but they won’t offer you any support and before making a warranty claim they will ask you to restore steamos and see if you still have issues

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    And so far, the first report from someone I know that has one is that it’s overheating / redlining. -Sounds like a Linux issue.

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          I don’t have to defend anything to you of all people. But I do use both windows and linux. Win on my gaming PC (nvidia is shit and I have one game I play with friends that does not work on linux) and linux on my laptop. And the laptop has been running better and longer with the same performance compared to when it was still on windows.

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      Why? Do they happen to be playing inside a sauna? An oven, perhaps? Maybe it’s not a good idea to take any electronic device in the middle of a desert during summer.

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        Maybe because Linux is known for poorer power and fan control. Imagine having issues before dust has even accumulated.

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          Is that so? Funny, the entire Internet must’ve missed that. Come, teach the whole world your infallible knowledge of Linux’s problems.

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            You’re making assumptions or just playing your propaganda game. You have nothing to add to the tech conversation.

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              Nah, just clowning on a clown. Not a single thing you’ve said is to be taken seriously.

              Microsoft’s boot must be so incredibly tasty for you to come here and talk shit for them.