Life expectancy increased in the imperialist west off the backs of the global south, life expectancy increased in socialist countries due to pro-social policies and industrial development.
Now we are back to confusing correlation with causation. Life expectancy increased dramatically across the 20th century as a result of improved sanitation, medical breakthroughs like antibiotics and vaccines and better obstetric care for childbirth. You are also hilariously forgetting that the USSR was an empire with the European states being kept in line often brutally by their Russian overlords. Did Russian imperialism increase Russian life expectancy then? You should at least be intellectually consistent.
As for prostitution, it skyrocketed because poverty skyrocketed
And this was the fault of the imperial west how? The USSR collapsed due to its own bad governance.
The imperialist west is now collapsing under its own weight
Wake me up when this happens babe.
socialist countries like China are rapidly rising
Most economists would describe today’s China as hybrid state capitalism. China’s communist days are long behind them, I noticed how even you referred to them as “socialist” which would be a stretch considering the oppressive conditions most live under.
You have not explained how Marx “does not add up.”
There are plenty of information online debunking Marx’s theories, I do not have time to do what you can search yourself. I also know that you will be like the proverbial horse brought to water. You mentioned earlier that capitalism in the imperial west is now collapsing under its own weight, as Marx predicted. Marx predicted that capitalism contained the seeds of its own destruction, leading to the inevitable collapse of the system, falling rates of profit, and widespread immiseration of the working class. In reality, capitalist economies proved adaptable, driving technological innovation, creating modern welfare systems to regulate markets, and lifting billions out of poverty globally over the last century.
Or more importantly, why has the proletariat not risen up yet? I mean they’ve had almost 2 centuries at this point!
As for Russia being an “empire,” it is not.
Do you know nothing of Russian history? Read a book dude! How did the Russian state expand over the centuries, magic?
A country cannot be imperialist if it isn’t imperializing.
You say this with a straight face when they are invading Ukraine in an imperialist land grab. This is just after Russia stole a slice of Georgia. I don’t think you understand the meaning of words buddy.
but the two are strong allies. This is certainly unthinkable for a westerner, but it turns out having shared interests and not being dominated by finance capital means countries can genuinely ally.
Back to you not understanding words again. Russia and China are not allies, they pay lip service to their “friendship” and strategic partnership. Alliances in the traditional sense are military and Russia and China are most definitely not this. This war going on for as long as it has is in Xi’s interest, he wants a weak junior partner Russia who he can get cheap gas from and water. It is never an equal partnership when one side absolutely depends on the other. Xi has Putin right where he wants him.
considering the oppressive conditions most live under.
You really know so little about China but talk with such arrogance. Have you tried listening and learning rather than being a smug shitheel? But reading the rest of your smug drivel I have a feeling you’ll just call me a “CCP Bot” or “brainwashed” if I point out the sky high approval rate of our government and how most of us are satisfied with our rising living standards or that your image of China as this oppressive dictatorial place with no rights is nothing but orientalist nonsense. You seem like a white saviour type. Also talking about Marxism being debunked while being a Georgist is peak comedy.
Most economists would describe today’s China as hybrid state capitalism. China’s communist days are long behind them
I don’t think you know what socialism is. Also most economists (in the west at least) have qualifications not worth wiping your ass with as their job is to cheerlead for whatever those with money want. China is socialist and has been since October 1st 1949.
Nope, I am not confusing correlation with causation. Industrialization and development is what drives the increase in life expectancy, as this is directly related to access to medical equipment, food, housing, and more. The west achieved this by exploiting the global south, which is why the global south did not see the same leaps in life expectancy. The Soviets achieved this via pro-social policies and central planning, on their own labor. The soviets were anti imperialist and de-colonial.
As for the disollution of the USSR, it’s complicated. In any case, it was the adoption of capitalism and the ensuing plunder by the imperialist west that created the economic devastation that caused the skyrocketing prostitution. Socialism did not cause it, capitalism did.
As for the PRC, no, it is not “hybrid state capitalism.” By “most economists,” you mean purely western liberal and neoliberal economists. Socialism is a mode of production and distribution where public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, and the working classes control the state. This is true of the PRC, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam, Laos, and former USSR. Communism is a post-socialist mode of production, and has not yet existed. Rather than being behind China, communism is in the future.
As for Marx, his predictions are coming to pass, and he has not been “debunked.” I’ve seen the nonsense neoliberals and liberals allege against him plenty, I’ve been a Marxist for years. It has not been capitalism that has uplifted the proletariat, but instead capitalism that has systematically underdeveloped the global south, swelling the welfare states in the imperialist west, while socialist countries like China have been lifting billions from poverty.
You are erasing imperialism from the equation because it immediately causes your argument to fall apart. Many countries around the world have gone through revolution, as Marx correctly predicted, and billions now live in socialism.
As for Russia, it was imperialist under the Tsar. The Soviets abolished the Russian Empire, and the Russian Federation has no colonies nor neo colonies. The Russo-Ukrainian war is not imperialist in nature, it’s resolving the conflict between the Donbass region and Kiev as sparked by the Banderite coup in 2014, backed by the west.
As for China and Russia, they have great relations and mutually benefit.
Now we are back to confusing correlation with causation. Life expectancy increased dramatically across the 20th century as a result of improved sanitation, medical breakthroughs like antibiotics and vaccines and better obstetric care for childbirth. You are also hilariously forgetting that the USSR was an empire with the European states being kept in line often brutally by their Russian overlords. Did Russian imperialism increase Russian life expectancy then? You should at least be intellectually consistent.
And this was the fault of the imperial west how? The USSR collapsed due to its own bad governance.
Wake me up when this happens babe.
Most economists would describe today’s China as hybrid state capitalism. China’s communist days are long behind them, I noticed how even you referred to them as “socialist” which would be a stretch considering the oppressive conditions most live under.
There are plenty of information online debunking Marx’s theories, I do not have time to do what you can search yourself. I also know that you will be like the proverbial horse brought to water. You mentioned earlier that capitalism in the imperial west is now collapsing under its own weight, as Marx predicted. Marx predicted that capitalism contained the seeds of its own destruction, leading to the inevitable collapse of the system, falling rates of profit, and widespread immiseration of the working class. In reality, capitalist economies proved adaptable, driving technological innovation, creating modern welfare systems to regulate markets, and lifting billions out of poverty globally over the last century.
Or more importantly, why has the proletariat not risen up yet? I mean they’ve had almost 2 centuries at this point!
Do you know nothing of Russian history? Read a book dude! How did the Russian state expand over the centuries, magic?
You say this with a straight face when they are invading Ukraine in an imperialist land grab. This is just after Russia stole a slice of Georgia. I don’t think you understand the meaning of words buddy.
Back to you not understanding words again. Russia and China are not allies, they pay lip service to their “friendship” and strategic partnership. Alliances in the traditional sense are military and Russia and China are most definitely not this. This war going on for as long as it has is in Xi’s interest, he wants a weak junior partner Russia who he can get cheap gas from and water. It is never an equal partnership when one side absolutely depends on the other. Xi has Putin right where he wants him.
You really know so little about China but talk with such arrogance. Have you tried listening and learning rather than being a smug shitheel? But reading the rest of your smug drivel I have a feeling you’ll just call me a “CCP Bot” or “brainwashed” if I point out the sky high approval rate of our government and how most of us are satisfied with our rising living standards or that your image of China as this oppressive dictatorial place with no rights is nothing but orientalist nonsense. You seem like a white saviour type. Also talking about Marxism being debunked while being a Georgist is peak comedy.
I don’t think you know what socialism is. Also most economists (in the west at least) have qualifications not worth wiping your ass with as their job is to cheerlead for whatever those with money want. China is socialist and has been since October 1st 1949.
Nope, I am not confusing correlation with causation. Industrialization and development is what drives the increase in life expectancy, as this is directly related to access to medical equipment, food, housing, and more. The west achieved this by exploiting the global south, which is why the global south did not see the same leaps in life expectancy. The Soviets achieved this via pro-social policies and central planning, on their own labor. The soviets were anti imperialist and de-colonial.
As for the disollution of the USSR, it’s complicated. In any case, it was the adoption of capitalism and the ensuing plunder by the imperialist west that created the economic devastation that caused the skyrocketing prostitution. Socialism did not cause it, capitalism did.
As for the PRC, no, it is not “hybrid state capitalism.” By “most economists,” you mean purely western liberal and neoliberal economists. Socialism is a mode of production and distribution where public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, and the working classes control the state. This is true of the PRC, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam, Laos, and former USSR. Communism is a post-socialist mode of production, and has not yet existed. Rather than being behind China, communism is in the future.
As for Marx, his predictions are coming to pass, and he has not been “debunked.” I’ve seen the nonsense neoliberals and liberals allege against him plenty, I’ve been a Marxist for years. It has not been capitalism that has uplifted the proletariat, but instead capitalism that has systematically underdeveloped the global south, swelling the welfare states in the imperialist west, while socialist countries like China have been lifting billions from poverty.
You are erasing imperialism from the equation because it immediately causes your argument to fall apart. Many countries around the world have gone through revolution, as Marx correctly predicted, and billions now live in socialism.
As for Russia, it was imperialist under the Tsar. The Soviets abolished the Russian Empire, and the Russian Federation has no colonies nor neo colonies. The Russo-Ukrainian war is not imperialist in nature, it’s resolving the conflict between the Donbass region and Kiev as sparked by the Banderite coup in 2014, backed by the west.
As for China and Russia, they have great relations and mutually benefit.