• HalfSalesman@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    Saying something over and over doesn’t mean its true.

    That said, I hate both the DNC and the non-voters. I can do both. If free will exists, then I can blame both. (I mean I don’t believe in free will, but on an emotional level fuck both anyway, I don’t owe either of them shit.)

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      4 hours ago

      You hated the DNC so much you voted for them and defend their actions tooth and nail?

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        4 hours ago

        I voted for them for tactical purposes. Both because at the time I cared about the well being of my fellow human beings and I care about my own well being. These days I’m not so sure I care about humans or even myself. I’m still grappling with the point of it all now that we’re doomed.

        I understand that tactics aren’t likely your strong suit, so let me make it clear: I do not have to love the democrats as a party to vote for them. I just have to have a basic grip on reality that it was either them or fascism. Because its first past the post we are dealing with.

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            2 hours ago

            You either don’t understand what tactics mean or you have some really Pepe Silvia shit to share with me.

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                  42 minutes ago

                  Well there’s the same amount of genocide. But yes, we agree, and that means voting this way was a tactical and strategic failure.

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                1 hour ago

                Ah yes, because giving Trump the win instead has ended genocide and improved the lives of millions

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                  40 minutes ago

                  I am saying that objectively looking at the outcome of the election means that running and supporting a pro genocide campaign was a tactical and strategic failure. You shouldn’t do that in the future.

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          2 hours ago

          it was either them or fascism

          Who do you think helped prop up and build the foundations for fascism? That’s what your tactics resulted in.

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      4 hours ago

      Saying something over and over doesn’t mean its true.

      Denying reality over and over again doesn’t make you right and the perspective you are espousing was the dominant narrative up until the elective. That individually voters just needed to “do better”. You want to blame voters; you need them to win elections. Explain to me how you plan on getting back the 6% of Democratic voters you lost using your approach? You blamed them for failure before the contest was even run and they didn’t show up for you. Now what? How does your analysis change their minds into showing up?

      What you are doing is the same thing petroleum companies did around recycling in the 90s. By believing this is some negotiation of individual choice, you are obscuring the fact that the Democrats structurally undermined their own ability to stop fascism. Blaming the individual is why fascism won.

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        You want to blame voters; you need them to win elections. Explain to me how you plan on getting back the 6% of Democratic voters you lost using your approach?

        I don’t need to win shit anymore. I don’t care, its obviously a fool’s errand to give a shit. The 2024 US election taught me that. All worrying about politics does is hurt me and waste my time with fools.

        You blamed them for failure before the contest was even run and they didn’t show up for you. Now what? How does your analysis change their minds into showing up?

        All that’s left is rot, so I’m going to pick through the garbage and hope to find some gems before we all drown in shit. My analysis is just based on brutal reality. They did not show up “for themselves” as well. Its not just me they’ve hurt. Leopards are eating faces, and not all the owners of those faces are “shitlibs” and MAGA, some of them are protestors who didn’t vote.

        There is no means for me to change people’s minds on voting so you don’t need worry about me trying. I just want people to understand that the very virtue obsessed moral framework they are using to make their decision to not vote has hurt them. Its doomed them. I want them to feel bad about it because in so far that someone can deserve to feel bad about it, they definitely should.

        What you are doing is the same thing petroleum companies did around recycling in the 90s. By believing this is some negotiation of individual choice, you are obscuring the fact that the Democrats structurally undermined their own ability to stop fascism. Blaming the individual is why fascism won.

        No its not. In a purely rational sense, I don’t really blame anyone. Free will doesn’t actually exist.

        But within the context of people I can like, dislike, or hate as the emotional creature that I am: I definitely can fucking loathe multiple groups at the same time and feel catharsis at their suffering.

        I think you are still operating under the delusion that this second Trump term is something we will escape from, but the thing is, bad times don’t create good times. They create more bad times. We are in the gravity well of a metaphorical political and environmental black hole, and you are in denial.

        The dems will win in 2028, and it wont matter much, other than we’ll get some sweet painkillers as we pass into oblivion. Because the GOP will win in 2032. Or society will completely collapse. Or the globe will roast all of our food and we’ll all starve. There are not much in the way of good things to look forward to.

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          I don’t need to win shit anymore. I don’t care,

          Great. Then just keep it all to yourself then. All bottled up deep inside so you don’t hand the fascists another victory.

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            2 hours ago

            Great. Then just keep it all to yourself then.

            No lol, eat shit, scumbag.

            All bottled up deep inside so you don’t hand the fascists another victory.

            Still insistent on the delusions I see.

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              No lol, eat shit, scumbag.

              You don’t deserve charity. You objectively supported fascism with your actions. And now youre saying you don’t care enough to stop it.