The winning message for a Democrat:
I will be your revenge. I will burn the Republican’s criminal empire to the ground. It won’t undo their crimes, but I will make them suffer.
The winning message for a Democrat:
I will be your revenge. I will burn the Republican’s criminal empire to the ground. It won’t undo their crimes, but I will make them suffer.
Precisely. We were all hyped up hoping for change, and this would have been a massive one. Instead we got 8 more years of war, RomneyCare with no public option, and continued expansion of executive overreach including extrajudicial killings. Such a disappointing continuation of the status quo, and there are blue maga out there who pretend like it was the greatest presidency of our lifetimes for some reason.
As a older millennial, I think it actually was the greatest presidency of my lifetime… As fucked as that is. Maybe Clinton was better but I was too young to have been paying attention.
If clinton testifies that trump gave him a blowjob, he will go down as one of the best-- simply for saving whats left of the “republic”. If he fails to do that he’s a mixed bag, and a bit of a failure.
And if you’re expecting that things would change with just a President then you’re one of the George Carlin Americans too.
Dude, I’m not saying that Obama was a progressive stalwart but if you’re going to complain about RomenyCare+ being the only option without a public option then you need to read up on how that was thwarted by moderate Democrats. You want there to not be a repeat then you’ve got to get your ass up and moving in the primaries to get these “moderate” neoliberal conservatives out of the party.
Ain’t no point in a merciless Progressive President if you’ve got your party stabbing you in the back every chance they get.
I wish Carlin were still alive, but no I don’t expect one person to be able to move a mountain. It takes a whole admin to do that. Many of whom the president can appoint, but still.
I know all about what happened with RomneyCare. Biden gave away the public option before they even started negotiating. He literally just gave it away like the absolute turd that he is.
I also agree with voting vociferously in the primaries, but my point is that maybe taking over the Dems is a lost cause and more trouble than it’s worth. Just let them become the corporate party with Repugs, and form a new progressive/populist party instead. It would be a whole lot easier to build from the ground up.
Yeah… if Obama isn’t the greatest president of my lifetime (I was born during Reagan), then who was?
touché
Were you expecting a black man, surrounded by a historical establishment he had to fight his way into, to just get up ended cause he wanted to? He was badgered from all fronts, included by fools who talk like you.
I hoped for change, wanted him to be better, but was proven wrong. Obama was yet another milquetoast democrat.
Yeah… One of the Obama quotes that sums him up pretty well is, “Tell me what we’re doing and I’ll sell it”.
BUT, because of this countries history and a lot of undealt with racism and the path of pure chaos that always springs up from that, it was important for us all to have a black president and it was important that he do well. And Obama did well above average, even if I wanted a lot more out of him, after he strung us along with “Hope and Change”. Obamacare alone sealed his legacy. His term was an important step toward universal civil rights. I dont know about you, but I Like civil rights and human rights for all. Its one of the #1 things I care about. The universality of rights is important no matter who you are–even to your avwerage white male right winger-- equal protection is something they need and should value. I am a financially OK old white guy myself, so this is not some sort self serving statement.
We all need everyone in the US to do well because a country where all have enough is a significantly better, safer, happier, brighter place to live, and also just a better place to be a human being in. America needs to be a country that makes sure its poor have “enough” rather than a country fixated on if poor people have “too much”. We’ve become a shittier people over the course of my lifetime and there needs to be a change. Its got to start with getting rid of centrist dems and replacing them with people who care about the issues of the voters, even the poor ones, and who pledge to fight for human and civil rights for all-- that includes rejecting AIPAC completely. Then we corral the republicans and put them in a legal box they cant wiggle out of. To create that box we need to get civil and human rights going again as a key part of who we are.
Never enough with y’all considering context. Y’all just want another cis white het with perfect views. He did a lot with what he was given.
Not sure who you’re referring to here, I wanted the first black president to represent a meaningful departure from the status quo. Of course, that was how Obama attained such success so rapidly, by staunchly defending it. Which leads us back to the original post in this thread - he wasn’t willing to “look backward” and prosecute the egregious crimes of his predecessors. Just “looked forward” to bailing out Wall Street, and personally ensuring they got extra money for executive bonuses.
Still, I’m curious to know more about your perspective. What are some of the things you view as Obama’s greatest accomplishments? Do you wish he had done anything differently or better?
Yeah, this unfortunately. Obama was overated
I dunno. Compared to every other president we’ve had since Kennedy, he’s about the best we’ve ever had for about a generation. I mean, he did get Osama. I mean, yeah, he wasn’t a “get us to the moon” or a “defeating Hitler” president, but he was good for what he accomplished. Yeah, ObamaCare should have been better, but compare it with the market beforehand: hhhuuugggeee Medicaid expansion, coverage for pre-existing conditions, and a simple, easy-to-use market. It could have been Medicare for All, yes. But Republicans, Big Donors, and the corporate Dems would never have allowed it.