cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/59455315
Former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura says the people of his state should consider leaving the United States. In an interview on the SpinSisters podcast that premiered Saturday, Ventura pitched his plan by saying that it’s clear President Donald Trump doesn’t want the state.
“How about since Trump dislikes Minnesota so bad and we’re so out of control, let’s join Canada. Instead of Canada becoming the 51st state of America and lose their healthcare… I’d like to see Minnesota, all of us become Canadians,” Ventura said. Make this part of Canada, because it’s obvious Donald Trump don’t want us. It’s obviously he’s ready to fracture the whole country for his own folly."
If states start to secede, the administration will be forced to face reality. Tear shitlers kingdom apart.
Unfortunately USA is not a free country, and secession is illegal.
History shows that military force will be used in case states try to secede.It’s very easy for secession to be legal. You just have to have the federal government on board with it. Someone could absolutely run for president on a platform of, “I’ll let states secede from the union. If you want to go, I won’t stop you.” What SCOTUS says is irrelevant. If the president simply refused to send in the military to suppress any rebellion, secession would be fully legal.
Some people don’t care. Secession can still happen, in order for secession to happen, you need a lot of powerful and wealthy countries on board to support said secession and get more people on board
It doesn’t matter how many other countries you have on board if the Federal government of USA won’t allow it.
Secession can’t happen is the default. To change that a lot of ifs are required, both a lot and some very big ones.
No country is more powerful than USA, and even if there were such countries, they have no right to interfere in internal affairs of USA.
USA is extremely undemocratic and authoritative compared to EU, where the states have way better protections and are allowed to leave the union.
If Americans think the “world” can help them think again. Because they neither can or will.If there’s a will, there’s a way
Yes I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it’s very very difficult.
Reading the comments, and disregarding that Ventura was just making a point and not seriously suggesting secession, it seems that people are assuming that Minnesota would simply join Canada as a single unit with the current population as it is.
Obviously that’s not what would happen. Canada wouldn’t be getting a 47%-magat population in the deal. First, those people wouldn’t want to secede or go to Canada. They would move to another state before they’d let that happen. Second, Canada wouldn’t just let anyone in just because they were from Minnesota. They’d screen them and decide who to let in. Plus there would be USians from other states trying to move to Minnesota to get in on it. It would be chaotic and messy. Who knows how or if they’d even be able to make it work.
A more likely scenario would be some states seceding, a civil war and major population redistribution, then in the aftermath depending on if the seceding states won independence, maybe a deal with some of them would be made to be annexed by Canada. Or maybe negotiations with certain states would take place during the war regarding future annexation, and Canada might even help them in the war. Who knows.
I do enjoy the idea, but I feel we have to call it out just like we do every time Texas talks about leaving. This issue has been settled (violently).
If you get a majority of the northern population centers and economies to seceed it would be more feasible, but it would result in an actual shooting civil war. One state (with the exception of California) isn’t enough to go it alone.
This issue has been settled (violently).
It hasn’t been settled at all. All it would take for secession to be legal and an available option would be for someone to get elected president on a platform of “I’ll let states secede.” That’s literally all it would take. If the person commanding the military just refuses to use it to put down a secession, secession will happen.
This is more likely …
Trump: 47th president Alaska: 47th obllast renamed “Trumperia”
