• MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml
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      14 days ago

      It’s kinda is yes.

      But more specifically to this post, the UK and Norway both discovered oil in the North Sea around the same time and took very different approaches to hope to manage this new resource.

      Norway treated the oil money like communal property and heavily taxed oil production. Norway used the taxes to further develop oil drilling and exploration technologies, so that they would still have access to harder to reach reserves in the future BUT more importantly the oil taxes had to benefit Norway as a whole after the oil is gone.

      The most obvious result of this is the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund, which is basically an endowment with the intent to continue to improve the lives of all Norwegians for future generations. Norway uses the dividends from this massive investment portfolio to continually support the welfare state reducing the tax load on its citizens.

      The UK, under Thatcher, just used the oil taxes to cut taxes elsewhere. The problem is, the easy to reach oil is long gone. The new technology to reach remaining oil reserves is increasingly expensive AND there’s no more oil money coming in. So now services are being cut and some politicians want to privatize others to make up the funding gaps.

      There’s plenty of other factors at play, but at the end of the day the UK took a short term economy approach while Norway took a long term communal approach to the same scare resource at a similar point in time. Norway is still seeing the benefits to their approach while the UK has nothing to show for theirs.

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      I’m so tired of this Norway is only successful because of oil cop out.

      Norway, and all other Nordic countries, by adopting social-democratic policies of the Nordic model, became rich before the discovery of oil.

      Norway just happened to get incredibly lucky afterwards with oil, but even after becoming a petrostate, still has similar incomes and high standards of living to the rest of the Nordic countries, who don’t have oil.

      And, as the other commenter pointed out, both the UK and Norway (and the Netherlands while we’re at it) discovered North sea oil at the same time. The three pursued three rather different policies; of them, the Nordic policies have produced the most fiscally healthy outcome.

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        And, equally so, now that we’re selling out our welfare and becoming little America, everything is going to shit here in Sweden.

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        Oh, absolutely. I’m not saying Norway’s oil is the sole (or even most significant) reason for its success, but a different country might have been a more direct comparison.

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      Let’s say Norway is a petrostate.

      The point is the UK could have done the same with their North Sea oil.

      They didn’t. Just pissed the opportunity away letting all the money go into private hands.

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        The point is the UK could have done the same with their North Sea oil.

        They could still do it with their highly lucrative network of wind farms under construction.

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      13 days ago

      ever heard of bp? british petrol

      and the brits have been at the exploiting natural resources for centuries

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    Norway is privatising a tonne of shit, from public transport to generating electricity. It will go to shit of Norway continues in the same path it has for the past 20 years.

    Source: am Norwegian.

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    Now the UK owns nothing and has £3tn in debt

    The UK has accumulated plenty of valuable capital in this period and spends a sizeable chunk of that accrued debt protecting it.

    They can take it back whenever they choose. The Brits simply have a national, state, and local leadership more invested in the well-being of the leisure class than the working class.