Most people only know what propaganda they have been fed. Here you are trying to divide us just like the wealthy have.
The US controls the world, nothing is going to happen.
We were at the turning point during the revolutionary war. The wealthy won, convinced the colonist to turn on each other and created a government hell bent on death and destruction.
The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to make corporations and their shareholders wealthy. The historical purpose was lost long ago.
We need to act for sure, but it is clear you have no idea what to do. Reactionary violence is not going to solve this problem.
I am from the US and you didn’t make me upset at all. In fact, this was a pretty poor showing. Keep it up though. You have so much more to learn.
I will even give you some more. You live in a nation controlled by corporations. Be the shining light to the rest of the world. Take back your rights, eliminate the wealth gap, and create a government that resists corruption instead of embracing it.
Big surprise to hear patronizing condescension from an American. You’ve been huffing your own farts so long you don’t even realize the limits of hard power.
Every empire falls and you dipshits are speed running the collapse. You lasted barely 250 years, actually pretty average, solidly middle of the pack. Maybe you stumble along shitting your pants for another 50y at most, but you’ve destroyed any goodwill or trust with the world, you showed your whole ass, and now the knives are out. It’s all downhill from here. When people in my country are ready to ally with China, you just know you’ve lost the plot.
Get used to being ridiculed a lot more, and get used to actually being held to account for your spending and your actions. It will get worse from here. You’ve been given a free ride, but your exalted position is, at the base, provided to you by agreement with the rest of the world.
You think your shit don’t stink, and you think you don’t need friends. It does and you do. But this wouldn’t be the first time friends and allies have tried to offer you advice, and it sure as shit ain’t the first time you arrogant pricks dismissed it as irrelevant in your high presence.
My country has bled for you, we took in planes of people during 9/11, we send fire fighters during forest fire season, we sell you key resources on the cheap and we geared our economy towards not only an alliance but an assumed friendship. My family even went down to help after Katrina. You self-important pricks have never done anything like this for us, all you’ve done is bullied or ridiculed us.
By the way, I’m absolutely of the opinion that the wealth divide and wealth inequality is the main driver of all of this. But what I’m describing above existed and exists outside of that. And the state that we exist in now just is a state where half of the US supports all of this. I’m capable of acknowledging how the problem arose, and how the division and contempt was created, but it doesn’t mean I’m compelled to ignore it or forgive it. And all of this does not absolve you of the responsibility to stop your country from destroying the world.
Looks like you got nothing but insults. A complete failure.
Please grow up, your not convincing me of anything. Go pray to your corporate overlords.
You don’t even know how to ridicule. You are like a child that just learned that word. You think you are the first person to wish the US to fail!? Do you have any idea the millions who begged for this that are already dead.
I know the US is the most destructive country the world has ever seen. You are just another wanna be propagandist who is doing a shit job. Divide and conquer just like the wealthy have done.
Canada hasn’t done shit for me, nor would I expect it to. You sound like a prideful nationalist to me. No surprise as Canada is also a fascist nation full of fools controlled by the wealthy.
I have already been an advocate my whole life, I have helped more people in a month than you will in your lifetime. I have been involved with local, state, and federal politics. I stood on my state government’s steps demanding rights for people and was successful. I have lobbied my representatives in Washington DC in person.
Please take your high horse and ride it to fuck off land with your garbage takes. I am glad you can at least recognize the root of our problems. Stop grandstanding and figure out what to do. And for the love of god drop the sanctimonious bullshit. It is a very bad look for you.
I don’t care what you’ve done in the past, and you shouldn’t be too proud of it since it’s clearly meant nothing and has been a waste given where we are now.
But sure continue to insult former allies and talk about how America is the greatest and strongest country. You’re a shining example of an American, no doubt about that. You want to blame everything else but yourself, but too bad for you, because your country is dogshit and has done more to propagate wealth inequality globally than anyone else, despite all the work you or anyone else has done. But I guess you can feel high and mighty because you’re not the problem, it’s those evil corporations what did it.
Yes I love my country and wish for it to be a force for good, despite its many problems. And despite the fact that you think you’re a good person, you really don’t give a shit about the suffering you and your country are causing. We are not the same, and you should not presume to know anything about me. In fact I’m fairly sure I know far more about your country than you do about mine, because America is foundationally self-interested to the point of outright ignorance. It’s what allows you to justify and wave away the increasing insanity.
You don’t really care, that is obvious. You can’t see the past and you certainly can’t see the future.
You think it is an insult to tell you the motherfucking truth!? That your government has been a waste and that it is controlled by the same wealthy that control the US. This is reality and you better start opening your eyes.
I already explained the US is the worst. You are so stuck on stupid you can’t stop the propaganda. Everything you do is exactly what the fascists do. Blame everyone else for the problems, in this case the US.
You hate the US for some imaginary reason. At least I have a real reason to hate my country.
You will need years of deprogramming and decades of learning to understand what is really going on. Good luck and may you learn the awful truth.
Nothing you’ve said is new or interesting to me. You’re acting as if oligarchy and class warfare are new concepts. You don’t have any special knowledge, just calm down.
I’m over 5 decades on this earth. I have a family with young kids, career aspirations and retirement plans. Your country has threatened to destroy all of that, and drive me back into the military, relocate my family. Your country poses an existential threat to me and my family, so I don’t give a dry fuck about your abstract bogeymen at this point. I don’t care how we got here, I care about what this threat means to me and my family. And how do you think you’ll be affected? Do you expect to face an occupation by overwhelming military force? Do you expect to face the decision of whether to flee or fight for survival?
You have the luxury of criticizing ideology and politics and oligarchy and high minded concepts. I and my family may face life or death. We are not the same. Your concerns are potential moral dissonance. My concerns are mortal.
Anyway, I’ve realized this post in general and you in particular are doing nothing but enraging me. Don’t get me wrong, I believe I’m justified to be enraged despite what you seem to have convinced yourself. But I want to cheer when I see my former American friends and colleagues start to fight back and have victories. I want to support them in any way I can. I don’t want to lose sight of the fact that there are good people that are suffering in their own way. I want to feel vicarious pride when this entire fascist shitparade gets turned back. I’ve seen Americans do great things, and I want to see it again, and I believe there are good people there who deserve to see this too. Maybe not you - maybe you and I will never understand each other. But I want to pull myself back from the brink, and I don’t want people like you to remove all hope from me.
Your rage has only blinded you to the truth and you have become what you despise. There is a way forward and part of that is recognizing where we are. You say you are in your fifties, but you think like I did when I was a teenager.
I am about to have my second grandchild. I am not your enemy nor are my fellow Americans.
If you think anyone but the perpetrators are the problem you have already fallen into their trap. You need to start understanding propaganda and the rhetoric of control.
The only side you should be on is that of human beings. If that puts you at odds with everything else so be it. It is not like being right was ever popular.
Frankly, I’ve explained to you why what I face as a small country under threat is not what you face as the aggressor. You say I’m blinded by rage and you talk about propaganda, but your country destroying my economy or attacking militarily is not propaganda. That’s real life, those are real food shortages and real bullets. Don’t get distracted by high minded ideology that points me at the oligarchs or the corporations or whoever is responsible. I don’t care about that now. I have more pressing concerns.
In the process of discussing with you, you made it clear you don’t care about my country so I don’t expect you to understand what I’m going through. And I recognize that infantilizing others is an easy way to dismiss them and validate yourself, but as I said before you don’t know me and I’m not sure why you think I’d be bothered if an Internet stranger thought he was more mature than me. As I said, I have more pressing concerns.
However, I updated my original comment because I realized that I have more I needed to say to my American friends and family and others like them. So I guess you can congratulate yourself for bringing me to that point. It’s ok we don’t have to like each other. I don’t take it personally.
Frankly, you are a mess. You really don’t know one end from the other and I hope you handle your family a shit ton better than this conversation.
You are constantly oscillating between being a victim and rage hating. The fact that I am more mature is self-evident. Your alarmism is unbecoming and counterproductive.
If you just came here to rage and not to discuss, understand, learn, or grow that is fine. You should at least be honest with yourself if you can’t be honest with me.
I like you. You are certainly passionate and remind me of myself many years ago.
Most people only know what propaganda they have been fed. Here you are trying to divide us just like the wealthy have.
The US controls the world, nothing is going to happen.
We were at the turning point during the revolutionary war. The wealthy won, convinced the colonist to turn on each other and created a government hell bent on death and destruction.
The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to make corporations and their shareholders wealthy. The historical purpose was lost long ago.
We need to act for sure, but it is clear you have no idea what to do. Reactionary violence is not going to solve this problem.
I am from the US and you didn’t make me upset at all. In fact, this was a pretty poor showing. Keep it up though. You have so much more to learn.
I will even give you some more. You live in a nation controlled by corporations. Be the shining light to the rest of the world. Take back your rights, eliminate the wealth gap, and create a government that resists corruption instead of embracing it.
Big surprise to hear patronizing condescension from an American. You’ve been huffing your own farts so long you don’t even realize the limits of hard power.
Every empire falls and you dipshits are speed running the collapse. You lasted barely 250 years, actually pretty average, solidly middle of the pack. Maybe you stumble along shitting your pants for another 50y at most, but you’ve destroyed any goodwill or trust with the world, you showed your whole ass, and now the knives are out. It’s all downhill from here. When people in my country are ready to ally with China, you just know you’ve lost the plot.
Get used to being ridiculed a lot more, and get used to actually being held to account for your spending and your actions. It will get worse from here. You’ve been given a free ride, but your exalted position is, at the base, provided to you by agreement with the rest of the world.
You think your shit don’t stink, and you think you don’t need friends. It does and you do. But this wouldn’t be the first time friends and allies have tried to offer you advice, and it sure as shit ain’t the first time you arrogant pricks dismissed it as irrelevant in your high presence.
My country has bled for you, we took in planes of people during 9/11, we send fire fighters during forest fire season, we sell you key resources on the cheap and we geared our economy towards not only an alliance but an assumed friendship. My family even went down to help after Katrina. You self-important pricks have never done anything like this for us, all you’ve done is bullied or ridiculed us.
By the way, I’m absolutely of the opinion that the wealth divide and wealth inequality is the main driver of all of this. But what I’m describing above existed and exists outside of that. And the state that we exist in now just is a state where half of the US supports all of this. I’m capable of acknowledging how the problem arose, and how the division and contempt was created, but it doesn’t mean I’m compelled to ignore it or forgive it. And all of this does not absolve you of the responsibility to stop your country from destroying the world.
Looks like you got nothing but insults. A complete failure.
Please grow up, your not convincing me of anything. Go pray to your corporate overlords.
You don’t even know how to ridicule. You are like a child that just learned that word. You think you are the first person to wish the US to fail!? Do you have any idea the millions who begged for this that are already dead.
I know the US is the most destructive country the world has ever seen. You are just another wanna be propagandist who is doing a shit job. Divide and conquer just like the wealthy have done.
Canada hasn’t done shit for me, nor would I expect it to. You sound like a prideful nationalist to me. No surprise as Canada is also a fascist nation full of fools controlled by the wealthy.
I have already been an advocate my whole life, I have helped more people in a month than you will in your lifetime. I have been involved with local, state, and federal politics. I stood on my state government’s steps demanding rights for people and was successful. I have lobbied my representatives in Washington DC in person.
Please take your high horse and ride it to fuck off land with your garbage takes. I am glad you can at least recognize the root of our problems. Stop grandstanding and figure out what to do. And for the love of god drop the sanctimonious bullshit. It is a very bad look for you.
I don’t care what you’ve done in the past, and you shouldn’t be too proud of it since it’s clearly meant nothing and has been a waste given where we are now.
But sure continue to insult former allies and talk about how America is the greatest and strongest country. You’re a shining example of an American, no doubt about that. You want to blame everything else but yourself, but too bad for you, because your country is dogshit and has done more to propagate wealth inequality globally than anyone else, despite all the work you or anyone else has done. But I guess you can feel high and mighty because you’re not the problem, it’s those evil corporations what did it.
Yes I love my country and wish for it to be a force for good, despite its many problems. And despite the fact that you think you’re a good person, you really don’t give a shit about the suffering you and your country are causing. We are not the same, and you should not presume to know anything about me. In fact I’m fairly sure I know far more about your country than you do about mine, because America is foundationally self-interested to the point of outright ignorance. It’s what allows you to justify and wave away the increasing insanity.
You don’t really care, that is obvious. You can’t see the past and you certainly can’t see the future.
You think it is an insult to tell you the motherfucking truth!? That your government has been a waste and that it is controlled by the same wealthy that control the US. This is reality and you better start opening your eyes.
I already explained the US is the worst. You are so stuck on stupid you can’t stop the propaganda. Everything you do is exactly what the fascists do. Blame everyone else for the problems, in this case the US.
You hate the US for some imaginary reason. At least I have a real reason to hate my country.
You will need years of deprogramming and decades of learning to understand what is really going on. Good luck and may you learn the awful truth.
Nothing you’ve said is new or interesting to me. You’re acting as if oligarchy and class warfare are new concepts. You don’t have any special knowledge, just calm down.
I’m over 5 decades on this earth. I have a family with young kids, career aspirations and retirement plans. Your country has threatened to destroy all of that, and drive me back into the military, relocate my family. Your country poses an existential threat to me and my family, so I don’t give a dry fuck about your abstract bogeymen at this point. I don’t care how we got here, I care about what this threat means to me and my family. And how do you think you’ll be affected? Do you expect to face an occupation by overwhelming military force? Do you expect to face the decision of whether to flee or fight for survival?
You have the luxury of criticizing ideology and politics and oligarchy and high minded concepts. I and my family may face life or death. We are not the same. Your concerns are potential moral dissonance. My concerns are mortal.
Anyway, I’ve realized this post in general and you in particular are doing nothing but enraging me. Don’t get me wrong, I believe I’m justified to be enraged despite what you seem to have convinced yourself. But I want to cheer when I see my former American friends and colleagues start to fight back and have victories. I want to support them in any way I can. I don’t want to lose sight of the fact that there are good people that are suffering in their own way. I want to feel vicarious pride when this entire fascist shitparade gets turned back. I’ve seen Americans do great things, and I want to see it again, and I believe there are good people there who deserve to see this too. Maybe not you - maybe you and I will never understand each other. But I want to pull myself back from the brink, and I don’t want people like you to remove all hope from me.
Your rage has only blinded you to the truth and you have become what you despise. There is a way forward and part of that is recognizing where we are. You say you are in your fifties, but you think like I did when I was a teenager.
I am about to have my second grandchild. I am not your enemy nor are my fellow Americans.
If you think anyone but the perpetrators are the problem you have already fallen into their trap. You need to start understanding propaganda and the rhetoric of control.
The only side you should be on is that of human beings. If that puts you at odds with everything else so be it. It is not like being right was ever popular.
Frankly, I’ve explained to you why what I face as a small country under threat is not what you face as the aggressor. You say I’m blinded by rage and you talk about propaganda, but your country destroying my economy or attacking militarily is not propaganda. That’s real life, those are real food shortages and real bullets. Don’t get distracted by high minded ideology that points me at the oligarchs or the corporations or whoever is responsible. I don’t care about that now. I have more pressing concerns.
In the process of discussing with you, you made it clear you don’t care about my country so I don’t expect you to understand what I’m going through. And I recognize that infantilizing others is an easy way to dismiss them and validate yourself, but as I said before you don’t know me and I’m not sure why you think I’d be bothered if an Internet stranger thought he was more mature than me. As I said, I have more pressing concerns.
However, I updated my original comment because I realized that I have more I needed to say to my American friends and family and others like them. So I guess you can congratulate yourself for bringing me to that point. It’s ok we don’t have to like each other. I don’t take it personally.
Frankly, you are a mess. You really don’t know one end from the other and I hope you handle your family a shit ton better than this conversation.
You are constantly oscillating between being a victim and rage hating. The fact that I am more mature is self-evident. Your alarmism is unbecoming and counterproductive.
If you just came here to rage and not to discuss, understand, learn, or grow that is fine. You should at least be honest with yourself if you can’t be honest with me.
I like you. You are certainly passionate and remind me of myself many years ago.