• Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    This is partially why the world is so fucked. People who care, often utterly refuse to be pragmatic, and expect change to always be sweeping, and happen in an instant.

    This is what is responsible for the US getting to where it is. They repeatedly allow democrats to lose, and therefore pull the same cycle of losing, having everyone see how much worse republicans are, and then having the democrats walk back some of the damage the republicans did.

    People are so naive and angsty, they feel they need to punish the democrats for not doing what they’d like, and only end up punishing themselves, over and over and over again.

    The obvious, only pragmatic way to look at this, is that you need them to keep winning so that they cannot backslide, and then you need to use primaries and state and local politics to actually shift them leftward.

    Literally nothing else is practical or will work, but people on this site would rather rant about issues than fix them.

    • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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      15 hours ago

      If the only solution is democrats never losing then it’s not a workable solution.

      They will lose at some point, and we need to be prepared for that and not let it completely undo any changes they’ve managed to squeak through with only the presidency and a supermajority in both houses.

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        11 hours ago

        When they lose it needs to be cause they were not left enough they need to lose I. Primaries when they fail to support the leftist positions we need.

        If that’s not workable, then it’s not going to work, and eventually it will break. I don’t like it but I didn’t design this system.

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          11 hours ago

          When they lose it needs to be cause they were not left enough they need to lose

          This idea that you can punish the DNC by having them lose, is a foot gun.

          They are 100% happy with that and it absolutely would not cause them to shift even a centimeter left. If anything, it will shift them right.

          The DNC wants to please their corporate donors, and only wants to win half the time.

          You want to punish them? Replace them slowly using primaries, state and local politics.

          Anything else is shooting yourself in the foot by misunderstanding the incentive structures.

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            10 hours ago

            I didn’t mean “when they lose to Republicans, it needs to be because they weren’t left enough” I meant “when they lose an election, it needs to be because there was a farther left candidate that won”

            Conservatives need to never win an election again in my lifetime. Maybe if the Republican party moved left of the Democratic party, or if a third party gained popularity and was left if the Democrats.

            But realistically, it has to happen in primaries.

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        14 hours ago

        I think significant progress could be seen if they could win 4 times in a row with at least one senate super majority and house simple majority stretch near the end.

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      Oh, I whole-heartedly agree - pink is better than red, and it is moving the dial in the correct direction. But still I can’t bring myself to be happy about corporatist victories. Only relieved that they’re gaining ground.