In any form or fashion. If you do believe in a supernatural thing(s) what?
If “supernatural things” were to exist, they would be part of nature and therefore natural by definition.
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Your stupidity is supernatural.
Congratulations, you proved everyone in this thread wrong.
What do you mean by supernatural?
It means ‘beyond the natural world’, I think, but what does ‘natural’ mean? That is exists without humans? That it’s good for the planet? That it’s something theoretically knowable by empirical means? That’s it’s something knowable by logical/rational means?
I believe that I as a conscious experience exist. I don’t believe anything else with certainty, although I believe a great many things conditional on the empirical (‘natural’?) world being assumed to be true.
The word supernatural: phenomena or entities are those beyond the laws of the nature
But the “laws of nature” are just provisional rules we’ve deduced through observation. When we see things that violate the rules as we’ve deduced them (and we often have), we figure out new rules—we don’t just assume there are things to which the rules don’t apply.
Were electrons supernatural before we had the laws to describe them? Would something that’s supernatural now still be supernatural if we came up with laws describing its behavior?
I appreciate I made an edit to add more to my comment that you may not have seen; are you equivocating ‘the laws of nature’ with empirical knowledge (ie knowledge which can be gained by evaluating our sensory experience and assuming that it represents a true world)? If not, how are you defining it?
Now that almost everyone on planet earth has a small camera with them at all times, it would have been really cool to have discovered some supernatural stuff, be it ghosts, Big Foot, Nessie, whatever (and someone still might, who knows?), but instead all we get is police brutality. 🙁
i’ve seen things i cannot give a fully scientific explanation to why they happened, and i believe there are things that are not currently explainable by current science. however i don’t take the explanations currently given by most religious, esoteric and magick groups at face value, and more so in their vision of how a society is to be shaped.
I can understand not being gullible and believing every thing someone reports as paranormal, etc.
I wish it were true, but no, not really.
Sometimes, (more often lately) I wish I did believe in that stuff or that they did exist because it would make me feel a whole lot better about the way the world is now, vs just greedy and shitty people doing greedy and selfish or malicious things to others for greedy, selfish, and malicious reasons. The existence of a physical manifestation of evil and it’s ability to influence others would at least make the world make more sense sometimes. I want there to be more good in the world and it feels rotten to think that the reason there isn’t there are just shitty people manipulating us or harming us and getting away with it vs some force of nature.
But, I am sadly not that person, I don’t believe in that stuff. I am open to it should it be presented to me but for now, I have no evidence of it.
I work in 911 dispatch, and it absolutely feels like on and around a full moon our calls get weirder
We’re not necessarily getting more or more serious calls than average, so it’s kind of hard to point to any measurable statistic that would back up that assertion, and it’s not just people with psych issues calling and ranting at us, so you can’t even just go by mentions of callers “rambling” or “not making sense” in the notes of our calls, a lot of them are just bizarre situations that seem really unlikely or convoluted.
I’m kind of loath to label it as supernatural though. I feel like if there is actually a correlation and not just confirmation bias on my part, it probably has some reasonable scientific explanation.
Tbh, a full moon means a lot of increased predatory activity, I wouldn’t be surprised if we subconsciously become more anxious and rash, and I wouldn’t consider that any more supernatural than the tides (provided there’s actually at some point a link discovered).
I’m not sure which version of my comment you replied to because I kind of waffled a bit on my last paragraph and edited it about 3 or 4 times in rapid succession probably about the same time you were replying because I didn’t like how it sounded, it felt a little rambly trying to cram it all into the comment, so sorry about that.
But yeah, I’m basically on the same page there, one of my versions did touch on that, lots of animals have instincts tied to the moon, more available light gives them different opportunities and risks, and we are, at our core, still animals with some weird instincts driving our decisions, and of course there are things like the tides as well, and who knows what other little effects the moon is having on us and our environment that might make us act a certain way, all with a reasonable, if not immediately apparent scientific explanation.
Sure feels supernatural though.
I can move things with the Power of My Mind
No.
What does it really mean to be supernatural? What’s the difference between, say, a ghost and dark matter? We don’t really know what either one is. Is it that we can reliably find evidence of dark matter, even if we don’t know what it is, so it’s not “super” anymore? It seems to me that “supernatural” is just a name for the ones we don’t actually believe in.
I believe that people have experiences they can’t explain, and that this happens far more often than most would imagine. Imo a lot of it has to do with how our minds handle probability — we imagine that ‘highly improbable’ things never happen, at least not to us, so when they do, we experience it as ‘supernatural’
I believe that our understanding of “natural” is imperfect and immature, thus there are an enormous number of things and phenomena that don’t yet fit into our understanding of natural, thus are supernatural. At least until we learn and adapt our understanding of natural.
I think humans are natural storytellers who rely on the construction of narratives for most of our basic thought processes. But the natural world is inimical to narrative, so we employ narrative worlds whose functioning is adapted to the requirements of storytelling. (Even “naturalistic” storytelling relies on subtle tweaks to the laws of causality and probability, if nothing else.)
So I believe that we can’t make sense of the world without relying at least implicitly on the supernatural, but I don’t believe that it corresponds to anything external to our own cognition.
i ain’t afraid a no ghost
If answering very simply, no.
But I believe the words, “I don’t know” are arguably the most important words there are. As soon as you step beyond that into claiming to know anything for certain, I doubt your motives/mindset very much. But I appreciate that “I don’t know” also leaves room for so much mystery, pondering, speculation, etc. In that sense, I’m cool with a “maybe,” as long as you don’t start trying to define it as a specific entity you have special knowledge about, etc…
