Executive orders are not laws. As you’ve seen, his bullshit orders keep getting shot down in court. You can’t just DECLARE new laws and procedures, that’s not how it works.
This ruling doesn’t change the existing laws at all, but they’re trying to change the procedures to the laws. This ruling doesn’t do that, but it makes it harder for courts to reject arguments that align with that bullshit, that’s it.
Even if the courts eventually shoot down his bullshit orders eventually, they’re not allowed to stop him from enforcing them until the case is over, except against the specific plaintiffs in their court.
So assuming that his birthright citizenship order is defeated, as soon as the SCOTUS 30-day pause is up, he can start stripping people of citizenship and deporting them right away. If that order is overturned? Then he’ll have to deal with whatever the court says he needs to do, but he’ll still have destroyed a bunch of people’s lives in the process
They don’t need to stop them, because they are unconstituit. You can’t make up some bullshit that is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and win in court. Any half-assed lawyer can just file the paperwork to get this shit shut down, but that’s really the cruz here in that they are expecting people to not have the access to legal services to make it happen in the event they are challenged.
There will be more specific cases about this specific thing immediately being heard by the lower courts, they’ll rule against Trump, and this will end up in the Supreme Court again in the next session, no doubt on that.
This is a stalling tactic by Trump’s psychos to try and make it look they are able to bend the Constitution to their service, which will not happen because…it’s unconstitutional.
It literally is. He acted through executive orders alone, and .managed to wipe out billions in debt, in several waves. Unfortunately though, those orders were eventually blocked by Republicans, who challenged them in court…but not before millions of Americans had their debts erased.
But now that he has put an order out ending Birthright Citizenship and the SCOTUS ruled that nationwide injunctions aren’t applicable, can’t there now be a patchwork of enforcement where red regions will not honor birthright citizenship while blue regions do?
It seems like in the short term, there is going to be a lot of carnage and damage because this unconstitutional executive order will be followed by his loyalists.
He can put out an order requiring the sky to be green. It’s just words, that’s the point. The only thing he can affect with an EO are things where his sycophants can enable it to the extent they are involved in the executive branch. NOT the Judicial Branch. The judges who order and enforce the laws can’t just ignore the constitution. Birthright Citizenship is in the constitution.
What the SCOTUS ruling here adds is some dumbshit to make the process more stupid than it needs to be for people without legal status it seems, but it is not a change to the law, or enforcement. That needs to be understood.
All it’s going to take is a specifically angled case to ask the question “Is birthright Citizenship in the constitution? Oh, it is? Well then it’s constitutional”
Another court case that isn’t about the procedural nature of obtaining said documentation or status will shut this shit down in a heartbeat, but as others have noted, the legal process of getting it there takes longer than most would like.
We could hold protests…until Trump sends in the National Guard and has anyone that looks vaguely brown or uppity arrested.
We could petition our elected representatives, who either are not in power or have willingly ceded power to Trump. I’m sure that’ll help.
Maybe we could get reliable information from the news, if they weren’t already curtailing coverage that’s critical of Trump or anything Trump doesn’t like out of fear of political retribution or retaliatory political action.
We could sue through the court system, which was just stripped of virtually any ability to do anything about Trump.
I mean obviously, we need to get involved in our next election. Which is only 18 months away. Surely nothing catastrophic could happen in such a short period of time, right? Can’t wait to elect deep-blue representatives in my already deep-blue state. I’m sure that’ll accomplish a lot. That’s assuming elections even take place.
And hey, there’s always getting involved locally. Organize a resistance. Go ahead. I’m sure you’re more than willing to be the first to stick your neck out there. And I’m sure there’s no chance that your group is infiltrated long before it gets to anything resembling a critical mass or manages to accomplish anything noteworthy.
You don’t get it, do you?
Trump won. He has full control now. The Supreme Court has now said that not only is Trump legally immune from prosecution, judges don’t even have the right to stop him. Congress has willingly ceded their authority and he’s already using the national guard to quell anything he deems a “protest”. Our educational institutions have bent the knee, businesses are adopting Trump-friendly policies, and the press has severely curtailed criticism of Trump out of fear of retribution.
The only path forward is violence. And even that is a long shot as Trump has control of law enforcement who are chomping at the bit waiting for the opportunity to go full Call-of-Duty on as many brown people as they can. All other pathways have been closed. You wanna be the one sticking your neck out? Go right ahead. Let me know how the weather is in El Salvador. Or South Sudan. Or whatever 3rd world shithole you find yourself taking an involuntary vacation in. But not all of us think that this is a movie where we’re just waiting for John Connor to rise from the ashes and lead us to victory.
My point is exactly what you’re saying though. Being defeatist isn’t productive. Doomscrolling and resigning to the idea that “we’re all fucked, might as well give up” isn’t helpful.
If the tremendous outpouring of rejection for this administration’s bullshit isn’t quite cutting it in the inspiration department for you, then just sit by and do nothing. Your input in the manner you are giving isn’t helpful, and it’s not doing anything to inspire more people to fight against it.
Easily changed though. I would prefer people go the other direction with it and get more involved. That’s all I’m saying.
This is a stupid ruling, but it’s a stupid PROCEDURAL ruling. Stop being a defeatist and start getting involved.
How does this stop him from using executive orders to do illegal things in the short term?
Executive orders are not laws. As you’ve seen, his bullshit orders keep getting shot down in court. You can’t just DECLARE new laws and procedures, that’s not how it works.
This ruling doesn’t change the existing laws at all, but they’re trying to change the procedures to the laws. This ruling doesn’t do that, but it makes it harder for courts to reject arguments that align with that bullshit, that’s it.
Even if the courts eventually shoot down his bullshit orders eventually, they’re not allowed to stop him from enforcing them until the case is over, except against the specific plaintiffs in their court.
So assuming that his birthright citizenship order is defeated, as soon as the SCOTUS 30-day pause is up, he can start stripping people of citizenship and deporting them right away. If that order is overturned? Then he’ll have to deal with whatever the court says he needs to do, but he’ll still have destroyed a bunch of people’s lives in the process
They don’t need to stop them, because they are unconstituit. You can’t make up some bullshit that is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and win in court. Any half-assed lawyer can just file the paperwork to get this shit shut down, but that’s really the cruz here in that they are expecting people to not have the access to legal services to make it happen in the event they are challenged.
There will be more specific cases about this specific thing immediately being heard by the lower courts, they’ll rule against Trump, and this will end up in the Supreme Court again in the next session, no doubt on that.
This is a stalling tactic by Trump’s psychos to try and make it look they are able to bend the Constitution to their service, which will not happen because…it’s unconstitutional.
This is exactly how Biden managed to forgive millions of people’s student loan debts, before Republicans had the chance to stop him in court.
What? No.
It literally is. He acted through executive orders alone, and .managed to wipe out billions in debt, in several waves. Unfortunately though, those orders were eventually blocked by Republicans, who challenged them in court…but not before millions of Americans had their debts erased.
I thought you were saying Biden was ignoring injunctions to do it.
But now that he has put an order out ending Birthright Citizenship and the SCOTUS ruled that nationwide injunctions aren’t applicable, can’t there now be a patchwork of enforcement where red regions will not honor birthright citizenship while blue regions do?
It seems like in the short term, there is going to be a lot of carnage and damage because this unconstitutional executive order will be followed by his loyalists.
He can put out an order requiring the sky to be green. It’s just words, that’s the point. The only thing he can affect with an EO are things where his sycophants can enable it to the extent they are involved in the executive branch. NOT the Judicial Branch. The judges who order and enforce the laws can’t just ignore the constitution. Birthright Citizenship is in the constitution.
What the SCOTUS ruling here adds is some dumbshit to make the process more stupid than it needs to be for people without legal status it seems, but it is not a change to the law, or enforcement. That needs to be understood.
All it’s going to take is a specifically angled case to ask the question “Is birthright Citizenship in the constitution? Oh, it is? Well then it’s constitutional”
Another court case that isn’t about the procedural nature of obtaining said documentation or status will shut this shit down in a heartbeat, but as others have noted, the legal process of getting it there takes longer than most would like.
Sure. Just let me know exactly what your plan is.
We could hold protests…until Trump sends in the National Guard and has anyone that looks vaguely brown or uppity arrested.
We could petition our elected representatives, who either are not in power or have willingly ceded power to Trump. I’m sure that’ll help.
Maybe we could get reliable information from the news, if they weren’t already curtailing coverage that’s critical of Trump or anything Trump doesn’t like out of fear of political retribution or retaliatory political action.
We could sue through the court system, which was just stripped of virtually any ability to do anything about Trump.
I mean obviously, we need to get involved in our next election. Which is only 18 months away. Surely nothing catastrophic could happen in such a short period of time, right? Can’t wait to elect deep-blue representatives in my already deep-blue state. I’m sure that’ll accomplish a lot. That’s assuming elections even take place.
And hey, there’s always getting involved locally. Organize a resistance. Go ahead. I’m sure you’re more than willing to be the first to stick your neck out there. And I’m sure there’s no chance that your group is infiltrated long before it gets to anything resembling a critical mass or manages to accomplish anything noteworthy.
You don’t get it, do you?
Trump won. He has full control now. The Supreme Court has now said that not only is Trump legally immune from prosecution, judges don’t even have the right to stop him. Congress has willingly ceded their authority and he’s already using the national guard to quell anything he deems a “protest”. Our educational institutions have bent the knee, businesses are adopting Trump-friendly policies, and the press has severely curtailed criticism of Trump out of fear of retribution.
The only path forward is violence. And even that is a long shot as Trump has control of law enforcement who are chomping at the bit waiting for the opportunity to go full Call-of-Duty on as many brown people as they can. All other pathways have been closed. You wanna be the one sticking your neck out? Go right ahead. Let me know how the weather is in El Salvador. Or South Sudan. Or whatever 3rd world shithole you find yourself taking an involuntary vacation in. But not all of us think that this is a movie where we’re just waiting for John Connor to rise from the ashes and lead us to victory.
My point is exactly what you’re saying though. Being defeatist isn’t productive. Doomscrolling and resigning to the idea that “we’re all fucked, might as well give up” isn’t helpful.
If the tremendous outpouring of rejection for this administration’s bullshit isn’t quite cutting it in the inspiration department for you, then just sit by and do nothing. Your input in the manner you are giving isn’t helpful, and it’s not doing anything to inspire more people to fight against it.
Easily changed though. I would prefer people go the other direction with it and get more involved. That’s all I’m saying.