Ok. I like the energy but where was all this fervor when it came time to vote? I don’t understand. I mean I do. Kamala was boring af but come on. We already had one round of Trump. What did y’all expect?!?!

I do believe the path to growth is to fail faster. It just sucks when the fail is systemic and drawn out.

You really think before Citizens was overturned we were peachy? Reagan decimated a century of policies in one term long before Citizens was an issue.

No, it’s the voter base. They don’t care. It’s that simple.

I agree. They should stop being republican lite. It’s frustrating for sure.

But look at it this way: the Dems passed boring ok policies. Nothing spectacular. ACA? Sure. It’s something. But on one hand we have lame attempts at passing reform and general policies that do a little progress. On the other hand: oligarchs tearing down everything to build a technocratic crypto fascist state. And even that is not enough to get people to vote. So, we can’t get people to vote in general. That’s the issue. We could have Cheguevara bringing the revolution to America or whatever, but these people don’t show up. Obama was charming and bam, Trump undoes everything. Where are the safeguards?

Republicans on the other hand, have the anticrhrist on the ballot and they all pull up to the booth. Every. Time.

Have you ever heard the saying

“the flame of democracy requires vigilance”?

These are all lofty ideals. Overturning citizens united. Getting money out of politics. It seems to me however, as soon as a candidate lacking in charm or popularity shows up, the whole system back tracks because no one wants to vote for a boring candidate.

I hated Kamala. She was the most establishment dem you could get. You’d think a sassy black woman would have some kind of charisma or anything really. She sounded like a corporate android programmed by Hillary herself. Her policies were boring and uninspiring. She failed her messaging so bad. I still voted but I understand why those who didn’t didn’t. But if that’s all it takes to revert the clock a hundred years then it’s over.

We’re fucked.

Americans had a Trump term already. And they collectively - those who voted and those who didn’t said: “sure. Let’s do that again. Why not.”

Democracy is dead.

You somehow missed my entire point and managed to focus on the least important aspects of my question. The situations I described were hypotheticals reflecting the best possible world.

My entire thesis is all it takes for one election cycle for progressives / leftists / liberals to not bother getting off the couch and everything we work for si setback another 100 years. It will take sooo much time to undo what Elon and Trump have done it just the past two months. I don’t care about the goddamn student loans. My argument is democracy doesnt work, does it?

Here’s what I’d like someone to explain: suppose we have four (or even eight) years of president AOC.

Everything is going dandy. Palestine is recognized. Student loans are discharged. Maybe we’re even on track to get a public option. Etc. We get everything we want.

It seems like it only takes 1 (ONE) election cycle for Dems / Liberals / Progressives to stay home and be like “naaah, I just don’t feel it this year…Not gonna vote” to undo everything. Dems have had a slim majority in the house for the last 20 years. SC is one seat away from disaster.

We are only in month #2 of Orange Fucks presidency and look at all the damage he’s done. We’re back to square one. Nothing changes. I’m starting to get blackpilled about the whole democratic experiment. Someone give me some perspective please… I just don’t trust the American voter any more. The only consistency is Maga will always show up to vote no matter what piece of shit is written on the ballot. Dems / Liberals / Progressives: we need to move mountains to get any political coalitions or clout to achieve anything.

Because of the implication

Where the fuck was all this rage in November, my fellow Americans? We already had four years of Trump, January 6 insurrection, a disastrous reduction in foreign relations. But I guess that wasn’t enough???

It’s not about the gender at all. Dems don’t seem to care about that. They care about having a reason to get off the couch. The only time Republicans win is when Dems can’t be bothered to get their asses moving.

What matters is having someone exciting enough to get the Dems to show up to the booth. Neither Hillary nor Kamala brought fresh energy or anything exciting except a continuation of the status quo establishment.

Please, no Tim Waltz either. I love the guy but my god, we need something fresh besides another sweet grandpa on the ballot.

Please, democrats. No. We have to do better. Biden barely slid by in 2020. Ffs. No more sweet grandpa’s scuffling around the debate stage.

What’s stopping you. Cmon man, let’s go

What a brain dead thing to say. Is your whole argument that only the non rich are allowed to mention that the system is broken? Does he have to divest of all his assets before making any observations about our economic system? What a weird thing to get hung up on. This cant be real.

Hey man, keep screeching about how emotionally buthurt you are and keep calling people liars. In the meantime, the rest of us are going to roll up our sleeves and get to work building. The boomer dems aren’t going to be around forever and we gotta move forward. This whole brooding in bitterness and defeatism is bullcrap.

There was more than BBB. I don’t need to carry water for him but I do prefer to have a conversation grounded in reality that isn’t emotive and charged every time either. It’s impossible to discuss anything because every approach is devoid of nuance, details, or the boring entrapings of how policy actually gets done. It’s a lot more fun to screech about genocide Joe in’it?

And just to be clear. I hate the Dems. Probably more than you do. I hate Biden with a passion. I hate Kamala - or Hillary 2.0- next too. So much I unregistered from the Hem party.

It’s just we gotta work within the system somehow or we just check out. I don’t know. Im praying for all the boomer politicians to check out. I’ve lost most hope anyway.

Again. This is just bitter copium. He past some of the biggest legislation since FDR. Of course it would be pointless having that discussion with you as you clearly are already bad faith about this topic with your selective memory.

You don’t like how politics works. I get it. None of us do. But this incessant hostility to the Dems is not going to move the needle unless we move beyond FPTP. Figure it out.

He passed way way more than the IRA

You know, he actually passed some of the most monumental legislation in decades, a lot of it with bipartisan support. But because we are not living on the starship enterprise here you are as usual shitting on everything and everyone.

This is bait haha no way it’s real

Marvelous Miss Maisle is solid from om beginning to end. Not a minute, scene or note is wasted. The writers know how to pack every scene with as much energy and storytelling as possible. Just perfect.