I think you know the simulation hypothesis. Our universe could be a simulation created by… well, let’s call them “gods”.

But, if the simulation continue, we, humans, may reach the point where we could create a simulation of our own universe. In which, the simulated people would reach the point where they simulate their universe, etc…

So, as a corollary, it is not possible to simulate the entire universe, because this imply simulating an infinity of entire universe. It is only possible to simulate a simpler, smaller universe at each “layer”.

So my question, are we at the top of the stack, or at the bottom ? Which would imply a much bigger and much more complexe universe above us.

  • monovergent 🛠️@lemmy.ml
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    1 day ago

    I’ve also wondered about this too. In my opinion, at least several layers, but not more than 25. No good reason, it just feels right to me.

  • cattywampas@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 days ago

    I disagree with your corollary. We don’t know the rules of the universe that our simulated universe resides in. We could be the first layer or an infinitely lower layer, and there would be no way of knowing.

    • borokov@lemmy.worldOP
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      2 days ago

      Agree, we don’t know the rule of layer above ours. It has been demonstrated that Mathematics are the same at any point of our universe, but I’m not aware of anything outside of universe. And I doubt this could be even demonstrable.

      At least, we are sure that, starting from ou layer, there is a finite number of possible layer below.

  • davidgro@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    If you are assuming we live in a simulation, then you have to assume everything else about it too - there is no evidence to point in any direction about anything higher than our own layer, so ours is the only one we can do science on. All else would be imagination, so make up whatever you like.

    I do agree though that a simulator can’t fully simulate itself, so yeah, it would have to be bigger and more complex in at least some way, which could simply be runtime.

    • borokov@lemmy.worldOP
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      2 days ago

      Holy fucking shit ! I just fall into this rabbit hole, I was suppose to mow the lawn and go to the dump this morning, my wife will kill me 😅