• orioler25@lemmy.ca
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        18 hours ago

        Right, so maybe there’s something more than just “greedy bastards” that’d need to go.

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          14 hours ago

          Sorry my comment wasn’t up to your standards I’ll keep you in mind next time I comment

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            14 hours ago

            Sorry that you are responsible for how you think and liberals have not so far achieved full control of public spaces to the point that their ideas go unchallenged.

            Stfu about it if you don’t care to learn how to change it, including the specificities of how language shapes your own understanding. Making it about “greed” distorts the reality of why this has happened and portrays our current conditions as the result of natural human immorality and not like, a very specific set of events over the past five centuries and the system that emerged from them.

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              14 hours ago

              All this time you could’ve explained what the better solution is instead of talking down to me. If its not about greed elaborate.

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                13 hours ago

                “I won’t change how I think until someone promises to be my mommy and fix things for me” is very liberal.

                The reality is you know the problem, but you don’t want a solution. Private property, extractivist relationships with land and people, and hierarchal organizing are all fundamental elements in this system, and people like you hate it because you don’t benefit from it, not because it is harmful.

                You want a handbook? There’s dozens of’em written by socialists and anarchists who use direct action and mutual aid to produce some kind of fundamental change in people’s subscription to this system. Why haven’t you tried that yet? Why would your concern be so shallow? Is there maybe, something you benefit from that you do not want to discard? Maybe some…privilege?

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                    13 hours ago

                    Y’all get pissed any time that your words or actions demonstrate your values unintentionally. I guess just shut the fuck up about these things and have fun with what you have chosen:

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            15 hours ago

            Maybe a system where greed is less relevant than like, how resources are understood and distributed? There’s no exceptional level of “greed” that makes this system stop working, it has never worked to the benefit of the overwhelming majority of people.

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              14 hours ago

              So… get rid of the greedy dastardly then?

              I mean, obviously it takes more than getting rid of people that seem to prop up the system as it is. The system creates those people as much as it is created by them. Its not like the world would magically transform onto a magical utopia if we suddenly got rid of the capital class. Others would simply seize the opportunity to become the new capital class.

              The same would happen if we just did the opposite, get rid of the system. Those same people would still push anything that replaces it into where it was before.

              It will take more than a one-liner to effectively change the world.

              Is that what you mean?

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                14 hours ago

                Love it when I have libs mansplain shit.

                Hey bud, you ever think about why you believe the conditions we live under are natural and inevitable? I wonder who it benefits to think that way and whether you have arrived at this understanding through passive exposure to some kind of contrived network of institutions that both produce and distribute knowledge and whether those institutions are subject to like, some kind of hierarchy of power. If that was the case, I wonder how that power is achieved and maintained… Perchance, is there some fundamental element from which the entirety of that…system…is orgnnized around…I wonder if anyone else has thought about this ever.

                The smugness on you motherfuckers who pretend to want change but clearly have not taken the time to learn about what the fuck you’re even talking about. Vibe-critiques from y’all.

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                  13 hours ago

                  Where did I say it was natural and inevitable? I said that the current conditions feed on themselves, not that it can never change, or that it shouldn’t.

                  It feels like you’re not really looking for ways to improve the world, just ways to complain about other people not doing enough to improve your life.

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                    12 hours ago

                    Jesus Christ, it is seriously like you lack object permanence specifically for what your words mean. OK lib.