The answer to how Trump has succeeded is really simple: He lies nonstop, and lying works. Sure, there are other factors in play—he tapped into and intensified a certain strain of profound proletarian resentment of liberal elites, and … well, that’s about it. But mostly, it’s the lies.

…And, to reiterate, Trump tells many such lies a day. He talks to the press two or three times a day most days, which probably adds up to what, 45 minutes, an hour? Spitballing it at one lie every two minutes, which may well be low, that’s around 25 factual lies a day.

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    I dislike the unintentional association of “America” being those who support trump. America is not a trump supporter. 32% of the voting population does not constitute “America.” The majority of voters did not vote for trump.

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          The point I’m making is exactly what I wrote. The majority of voters either voted for Trump, OR looked at Trump - a verifiably incompetent lunatic who’d had one term already and fucked everything up - and said “Meh… whatever happens, happens”. They did NOT vote to keep him out.

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            Again. The MAJORITY of voters did NOT vote for trump. Read what I wrote. You are wrong. As for “not voting against trump”, that’s the same as not voting to keep the sky blue. You can’t prove a negative.

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              I never said they voted FOR Trump. Read what I wrote. Not making a choice is itself a choice. 77.3M voted for Trump. 75M voted for Harris. 89.2M stuck their thumbs up their asses and didn’t express an opinion. 77.3M + 89.2M is a majority. I don’t care if it was malevolence, negligence, indifference or apathy. It was abundantly clear that Trump was going to do bad things. They either thought those bad things were going to be good, or they didn’t think the bad things would happen to them.

              When evil triumphs don’t try to plead the morality of “good men who did nothing”.

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                Most Americans did not vote for Trump.

                Here’s how it works: US Population, adult over 18: ~250 million.

                Of that population, ~244 million are eligible to vote.

                Of eligible voters, only 63.9% voted.

                Of the 63.9%, less than half, 49.8%, went to Trump.

                To re-emphasize that point, Trump did not get more than 50%.

                As far as not voting against trump being a vote for trump, I’m not going to entertain that at all. Might as well say they were for Putin to be president, the flying spaghetti monster to be president, whatever.

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                  Putin wasn’t on the ballot. FSM wasn’t on the ballot. Harris and Trump were on the ballot, and the US has a first-past-the-post electoral system (to its demerit) and like it or not if you didn’t endorse the loser you implicitly endorsed the winner. It’s zero-sum. That’s how it works. Trump now represents you, the entirety of the US of A, whether you like it or not.

                  People who shout “it’s not my fault, I didn’t vote!” are just trying to abdicate their responsibility and excuse their pathetic passivity. Nobody gives a shit.

                  “I didn’t drown that little girl in the pool. I stood there and watched her drown, but I didn’t drown her. How dare you imply I’m culpable?”

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      majority of voters did not vote for trump.

      A vote for none is still a vote. And it means that you’re ok with either option.

      So can you guys fuck off with that whole bullshit.

      The majority of Americans were supportive of a second trump presidency.

      If they weren’t, they would have done something about it.

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        A vote for none is still a vote.

        No it isn’t. what a ridiculous concept. Then everyone who didn’t vote voted for Harris, and therefore the country voted for Harris.

        The majority of Americans were supportive of a second trump presidency.

        Buddy, keep jerkin’ yourself off with that if it makes you feel better. I can tell you’ve looked at zero polls and voting numbers because you’re just making shit up.

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          A non-vote is still a vote.

          That’s how democracy works.

          Then everyone who didn’t vote voted for Harris, and therefore the country voted for Harris.

          You are so close to getting it.

          By not voting they are saying that either option works for them.

          I’ll try and frame this differently for you.

          If you’re at work and the bosses come up to your department or whatever. And say “we are organising a meal out for everyone, we’ll let you guys vote and decide”

          It doesn’t matter what voting system, how many options, or how many votes a person gets. Not voting still counts.

          During discussions to decide on the short list. Non-participation counts.

          If it comes down to two choices. Pizza or Chinese, if you are ok with either option, and neither draws you better than the other. Then you would vote for neither.

          You ever see voting results for bringing laws in. Those in favour are counted, those against are counted, and those abstained are counted.

          Because a non-vote is still a vote.

          Buddy, keep jerkin’ yourself off with that if it makes you feel better. I can tell you’ve looked at zero polls and voting numbers because you’re just making shit up.

          Genuinely have no clue what you’re on about here. But I guess you’re insinuating something, something way off base. But Trump won the popular vote, of everyone who voted. The majority picked trump.

          If the majority of people were against trump, he wouldn’t have won the popular vote. They would have gone out to vote.